The media loves to conveniently ignore or set aside much of what Democrats or Liberals say or do, yet when a conservative or Republican does something, they are on the story like a pack of wild hyenas on a injured pig or something.

I hope you didn't expect otherwise. I just hope it's out enough and people see through this guy and his silk-tongue.

Yes, this is much more aggregious than Bush and his cronies saying "we know that Saddam was helping al Qaeda", that "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction", that "no one could have anticipated the levies failing", that the war would last "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months"

Nope, that darned media better get right on calling out the lies of our politicians and the sooner the better, especially with that black man. We wouldn't want him to be treated the same as the current occupant of the white house.

yes my brethren, we must reelect mcbush at all costs. please be sure to enlist your children in the military. go jazz

The letter writer is in error. Obama said he was not present at Wright's presentations that were specifically the subject of the news reports about Wright. In his speech he refers to hearing Wright use "incendiary language" but he does not say that he heard the "God damn America" statement that seems to be the one most seen on Youtube and the other outlets.

Even so, so what? Obama points out that everyone at one time or another has heard a preacher make remarks that were offensive to some. You can't talk about politics, economics, religion, or English Literature without causing someone to disagree with what you say. John Hagee is a prime example. His "preaching" is full of hate and yet no one in the media calls him on his hate. McCain actively courted support from other merchants of racial, sexual, ethnic, and socio-economic hate like Robertson and Falwell but the media gives him a pass on it.

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There is an easy way to tell when a politician is lying..... when their lips are moving

The letter writer did indeed get it wrong. He either didn't really watch the speach and had it filtered and interpreted by Rush, or someone else of his ilk, or he did watch it and didn't pay attention. AGKI is spot on in his representation of the content. It wasn't even close. It is always difficult to rant adequately if you have to deal with those darned facts. Oh well.

Another wacky example of Rush O'Hannity pleading to their fellow neocons to NOT read the "drive-by-media" but only listen to what THEY have to say instead. And the stupid necons gleefuly go along with this great idea.
Is it November yet?

Notice the writer of this letter in incensed by a perceived lie Obama made but is silent on the seven years of lies from a White House?

Who hasn't sat in church and daydreams as a defense against the intensity of the boredom?

Conservatism is about keeping the power in the hands of the people who currently hold it. Liberalism, on the other hand, is about extending power to those who do not have it.

Time for change.

After almost 8 years of a president who only lies when his mouth moves why would we change the paradigm now?

" aggregious than Bush and his cronies saying "we know that Saddam was helping al Qaeda","

Bush never said that. IT has been proven that Al Qaeda met more than a few times with Saddam. What was discussed, is unknown.

"that "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction""

Saddam had WMDs and he used them to gas the Kurds. Don't you ever read the facts?

"that "no one could have anticipated the levies failing","

Bush didn't build the levies

"that the war would last "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months"

Bush NEVER said that.

And to anyonymous, I take high offense at you constantly calling neocons stupid. I think you owe them an apology, and ought to be banned from the forum until you stop with the demeaning, personal attacks.

Sorry John, Bush and Cheney lied and now we're mired in an seemingly endless war.
Those are the facts whether Rush says so or not.

"I have been totally amazed at the media coverage of the Barack Obama "race" speech."

I was not so amazed. The media had already made their candidate selection: Barack Obama. He can now, like Bill Clinton, do no wrong. Don't be surprised when he wags his index finger at us and exclaims: "I did not have spiritual relations with that pastor".

Here's some facts for you:

No link between Saddam and Al Qaeda: Pentagon study
March 13, 2008

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A detailed Pentagon study confirms there was no direct link between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda network, debunking a claim President George W. Bush's administration used to justify invading Iraq.

The US administration on Thursday tried to bury the release of the study, limiting distribution of the report and making it available only at individual request and by mail -- instead of posting it on the Internet or handing it out to reporters.

Coming five years after the start of the war in Iraq, the study of 600,000 official Iraqi documents and thousands of hours of interrogations of former Saddam Hussein colleagues "found no smoking gun (i.e. direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and Al Qaeda," said the study, quoted in US media...

And as for your doubt on the 'six days, six weeks..' comment, it was from the Bush administration:

Feb. 7, 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

Do you really want to start digging for lies and hypocracy?
Nobody is more hypocratic than the neocons.
"neoconservatism and the New Testament have nothing in common.
Would Jesus do, even reluctantly, what the neocons do zealously-enrich the rich and impoverish the poor, bury our grandchildren under public debt and violate the law to lie, spy, torture and commit unprovoked aggression? Hardly."
-Willmore

Bush said on Good Morning America withing 3 days of Katrina, "no one could have anticipated the levies failing". Two days later video was released of a meeting with Hurricane Center staff warning him of the risk of levee breeches, prior to Katrina striking.

Therefore, Bush Lied on GMA when he said that.

Don Rumsfeld said prior to the Iraq Invasion, "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months"

Do you need more direct quotes or do you want to stand by the worst President Ever?

Hey, neocons!
I've got a great idea!
Let's get people to focus on Obama.
That way stupid people will stop focusing on the Bush/Cheney lies.

Back to Obama- since that was the subject of the original letter- I must admit that I am deeply troubled by seeing video clips of the hate filled rants of Rev. Wright- and see the congregation cheering and clapping. I am deeply concerned that black separatism was a major theme of Rev. Wright for many years in many sermons and Obama had to have known that, given his long association with this pastor and church. Obama sits for 20 years in this congregation, never once questioning this view of America, (tacit approval?) but now he wants to unite all of us as President? I don't watch Rush or Hannity or any of those guys- I'm just a white, college educated, middle class mom who is deeply concerned about all of the candidates. I see Obama as a great orator, a charismatic speaker, but a man with little substance beyond good sound bites. I think his recent speech explaining away Rev. Wright will come back to hurt him and not help him. I think it is going to be a long 7 1/2 months until the election in November!

GWB,

Just for the record...President Lincoln was also referred to as the worst president ever until around the turn of the century. Do you know why? I suspect it's because his works set in place a new way of life that took many decades to take effect. Stop blaming Bush for everyone's problems.

Nice letter to the editor. And as expected instead of the libs on these pages actually fessing up to the lies that the media completely ignores on the Democrat side, all they do is come on here and call names and exhibit their Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I'd hate to live in your houses. they are so perfect, neat and clean that I'm sure there isn't 1 piece of dirt on the floor or counter top.

You can parse the words of Obama all you want, but his intent is self-evident to those with reasoning skills.

Also, how is the media handling the lies about Mr. Hsu's money finding it's way into Hillary's coffers? What about her lie about coming into an airport with sniper fire and they were told to run to the cars but newspaper, TV and personal accounts show that to be a lie?

You can despise conservatives all you want, but you can't deny the lies that are perpetuated from Democrats and ignored by the media.

Please hurry and come back with more of your Bush Derangement Syndrome and ignore the facts. You have learned well from the network news folks. Just ignore the truth.

SLC Native,
What new way of life is Bush setting us up for? I'd say it is a life of higher taxes as we seek to pay back the crushing debt he has unleashed upon us with bad economic policies and unnecessary war. I don't really think that history will shine to brightly on him for giving us a recession, induced both by a housing crisis partly out of his control (but preventable with regulation he had no interest in introducing) and high gas prices that were the direct result of his actions (both rejecting conservation measures that would help offset the growth in China and India and more directly in the pursuit of war in Iraq).
What do you see as his currently unrecognized legacy that we will make us all eventually see him as a great President?

Gopherus....please explain what government regulations you wanted Bush to do regarding housing? I don't agree with the govt bailout of bad business decisions. I certainly don't think the govt would come and bail me out if my business went belly up because I was stupid.

so please tell us what government intervention did you want Bush to do? because you are able to fortell that when these loans were being given out the bottom would fall out of them.

Can we go to Vegas together?

It's really incredible how much power over day-to-day life you think Bush actually has. Blaming him for high gas prices - insanity. Is there any aspect of your life that Bush doesn't control? Just curious when you start to take responsibility for your actions and hold your local and state representatives accountable for issues.

I have to laugh at all of you who have Bush Derangement Syndrome for everything! Bush must be the best magician ever. What a powerful magic wand he has to control all aspects of your life.

If you think Bush has that much control, wait until Hillary gets into office. Then you'll see someone controlling EVERYTHING in your life. Just wait!

Gopherus: 1. Bush gave some bad actors in the middle east a whoopin', making them all think twice about nipping our heels again, whether we stay or go in Iraq. 2. Built up the military. 3. Home ownership as a % is up, even after all the dust settles from the minor foreclosure in the sub-prime market. 4. The past 7 years have been quite prosperous for most Americans. A reality that Bush haters just won't face. 5. The deal he made with India is historic. 6. After trying to get China to let the Yen float up in value to no avail, the administration has been carefully dropping the dollar value. We needed to get our dollar in a better position with all our trading partners. They haven't been playing fair. From my point of view as a conservative, he's done a darn good job. I think he will go back to Texas with a good clear conscience and startling good health for a guy his age and after having taken immense waves of hate energy aim directly at his heart. I could keep listing, not enough space. The historians will do that.

The more I read liberal comments on this page, I believe they think Bush must be the most intelligent President ever. They continue to make all these "Bush lied" statements. If this is true, he must be running one of the most intelligent administrations in the history of the World. To convince all of these so called "smart" democratic Senators and Congressmen to vote for a war based on "lies". He also was able to plant false evidence that some of the best intelligence agencies around the world believed was real. To make fools out of all of those people could not have been done by the Clintons. He could not even fool Ken Starr.
If you truly believed Bush lied, then it is time you admit to the great intelligence of him and his administration. Failure to do so is admission that you are spreading hyperbole and unfounded attacks based solely on hate instead of truth. And if that is the case, you have no place in the discussion of issues pertinent to this nation.
Just so everyone knows, the Civil War was viewed as a great catastrophe to many, that would ruin this nation forever.

Goph, criticize Bush for failing to regulate the mortgage markets all you want, but -- do you seriously think the Dems would have let him get away with forcing lenders to tighten up lending during a boom?

He'd be accused of wanting to keep poor people from buying houses, red-lining minority neighborhoods, protecting banks' bottom lines at the expense of good honest hardworking Americans grasping for the American dream, etc.

A democracy requires a loyal opposition. Bush has never had one to work with.

Hey John,
you state the pentegon said that their is no tie between IRAq(Sadaam) and Al Qaeda. That may be true.

But answer one small question: Can you please find me one statement back at the time of the invasion from any of our intelligence agencies suggesting the same thing?

You see one of the benifits today is that 9-11 forced congress to do something that has been begged for years. To get all the intelligence agencies to work together instead of turf fighting. This is both parties blame. Neither one of them did their jobs.

I am not saying that there is no evidence I just do not know of any.

The Neocons voted in BushCo.
But for some odd reason, you can't find anybody willing to admit they voted for these CEO's who are currently making bundles from no-bid contracts and oil profits while the economic situation is looking grim for we little guys.

SLC Native, you said "Stop blaming Bush for everyone's problems"

I challenge you to find anywhere in the words I have posted here anything that says everyone's problems are to be blamed on Bush.

That is if you are personally up to a challenge.

Problem is, you can't find where I said that.

What I did say is "this is much more aggregious than Bush and his cronies saying..." and then went on to point out some of the lies of the Bush Administration, that in my estimation are much more significant than what the letter writer things he didn't hear in Obama's speech.

So, please enlighten me where I said all everyones problems are Bush's fault.

yup, media & public bias.

it's okay for 'bama to flip-flop but not Mitt

Confused, you issued a challenge to John when you asked, "Can you please find me one statement back at the time of the invasion from any of our intelligence agencies suggesting the same thing?"

Here is one: On September 17, 2002 CIA Director George Tenet testified to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and said "There are several reported suggestions by Al Qaeda to Iraq about joint terrorist ventures, but in no case can we establish that Iraq accepted or followed up on these suggestions."

Here is another: In July 2002, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda has not been established, despite a large body of anecdotal information."

And, while I am on the subject, even though the CIA tried to remove the statement knowing it was false, Bush said in the 2003 State of the Union Addres - "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

This to seems minor in comparison to Obama's mideed, right. Especially when it is a crime to lie to Congress.

"Didn't vote," did you complain about "no-bid contracts" (more properly identified as LOGCAP concessions) during the Clinton administration?

Or is your selective outrage only triggered when Republican administrations use the procedure?

GWB, you're caught red-handed in a lie.

President Bush said "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa ." You omitted the first five words, which completely changes the meaning. Joseph Wilson's infamous op-ed has been seized on by dishonest lefties as evidence that the "sixteen words" above were a lie. However, Wilson's report to the CIA was that he could find no evidence that a sale of uranium had actually occurred, not that Iraq had not attempted to secure one.

The nonpartisan website factcheck-dot-org determined that President Bush's "sixteen words" accurately stated the position of the British intelligence service.

Not that this has stopped the usual suspects from going with their *own* facts instead of the real ones.

The statement that "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" has never been proven to be false and the British Intelligence Agency still stand by this data.

An Old State Department reject sitting around getting on the nerves of his working CIA wife got a boondoogle trip to Africa and probably a few consulting bucks. His first lie was that Cheney sent him probably to divert the nepotism practiced by his CIA wife. Next he stated without evidence that Saddam wasn't trying to buy uranium. Joe Wilson is the one who is now discredited. Won't see that often in the news.

Recently I heard a speach by Obama where he stated, "There was NO Al-Qaida in Irag until WE went to Iraq". Another lie I've heard directly from Obama's mouth, and repeated by raving-leftists on this forum, but if you think about it, we all know it's not true.

Do you really believe there was no Al-Qaida in Iraq before 2002? We know they had cells in the United States, Britian, Spain, almost every country before then, yet many of us put our head in the sand and say, they had cells in every country EXCEPT Iraq?

Google Abu Musab al-Zaqawi... The guy who started al-Tawhid wal-Hihad in Iraq in 1990 (10 years before the war). The guy on film doing the beheadings early in the war and claiming many bombing attacks in Iraq and Jordan. He said himself that he was leading Al-Qaida in Iraq and claimed aliegence to Osama bin Laden. Yet you keep asserting (despite the facts) that there was, "NO Al-Qaida in Iraq before?

Because everyone knows this claim is false, More recently the claim has been softened to "There was no DIRECT connection between Hussain&Al-Qaida.

I guess if you parse the words enough you-can-make-it-true.

Lionheart,
I think you have a funny view of what building up the military is. Bush has abused the military. Deployments have become essentially back to back missions. We've instituted stop-loss. We've had to use the guard in a way that Bush is very happy did not happen when he was "in" it.

You claim Bush "Abused" the military and they are all trying to get out now... Yet the vast majority of those deployed to Iraq support President Bush. How do you rationalize that?

I remember the delapidated state the miliatry fell into during the Clinton and Carter administrations. Do you?

I remember during the Clinton administration when 5 sailors died in one day (during a piecefull practice drill). The Navy was forced to admit that they were so disorganized and out of practice that they had to order all Navy operations and personel to stand down immediatly to prevent further deaths while they got their act togehter (they basically had to surrender because they were suffering such great losses, WITH NO ENEMY involved)!

During the Carter administration he couldn't get the American hostages released by Iran (because they had no fear of our people, government or military). They knew we could do nothing. Even when Carter got desperate and OK'd an attack it was so disorganized and badly botched that all soldiers in the rescue team died.

Is this the type of military you want? The kind that can do nothing and they know it?

Gopherus -- Then why did Bush volunteer for the Palace Guard program?

Incidentally, I think someone here's been promoting the fib that nobody in the TNG can remember serving with Bush. In fact, several of his fellow pilots remember him very well as a competent pilot of a widowmaker airplane.

I never worry.
Sooner or later the jingoists crawl back into their weird little world of violence and all is well again.

GWB-

You wrote that George Tenet and the Defense Intelligence Agency all advised Congress of what you say is a lack of evidence linking Iraq with al Queda months before the Iraq War began. Yet pretty much all of the Democratic dignitaries voted for the war, including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and John Edwards.

So much for Bush Lied, People Died.

Thomas: How did I lie? Did Bush utter the words I said?

Yes, Bush uttered the exact words in the exact order I gave them. How is this a lie?

I did omit a few words, So now context somehow matters??? If that is the new ground rule, that Context matters, lets talk about the Obama quotes again.

Secondly, The US government knew that at the time the Speech was given that the assertion that "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" was false (through Joseph Wilson's work) but it was asserted nonetheless. Accordingly, after the speech Tenet said "the CIA's own investigation of those same allegations had led the agency to decide that that the evidence was inconclusive."

I guess the attribution to the British government makes it OK to state things that are known to be false or possibly wrong.

Reminds me of the line that Clinton haters used about the definition of "Is"

"I did omit a few words. So now context somehow matters???"

Darn right it does. Here's your post, with just a few things omitted:

"...I...state things that are known to be false...."

What is it they say? Half a truth equals a whole lie?

Joseph Wilson's "work" sipping mint tea and "meeting with dozens of people" convinced Wilson that no actual sale of uranium had occurred. But of course Bush never said it had. He said British intelligence had determined that Iraq had *tried* to obtain uranium -- which is a completely accurate statement.

By the way, the CIA's actual conclusion from Joseph Wilson's report was the same conclusion as the Brits drew from their own intelligence -- that Iraq had made efforts to buy uranium, but did not appear to have been successful.

Facts are stubborn things.

Cameron, you are correct, the Dems should have shown spine and voted against authorizing Bush to start the war.

That is why Obama is the real choice for Democrats. He opposed the war from the start and publicly stated so.

Our own little Thomas is showing some of the craftiness his heroes Rush O'Hannity like to use in tight politically-charged situations.
Put the other guy on the hot seat, make them answer a bunch of questions don't let up and then give a hearty thumbs down to each answer.
These are difficult times for conservatives. Just look what is happening to them.

KVC Democrats are to blame because they believed Bush and voted for a war later was proved to be based on lies? Hind sight is twenty-twenty. What happened to your belief in accountability?

Comparing Bush to to the president who penned the Gettysburg Address. Chicken George can't read a prepared speech in his native tough without butchering the English Language.

How necons discuss their regrets:
I regret that the Iraqi people were so thoroughly incapable of living up to my expections of them.

I regret that my brilliant ideas were so imperfectly executed by my intellectual INFERIORS.

I regret that we have not yet attacked IRAN. (but hey, we've still got ten months)

I regret that public ipinion has inexplicably soured on the war, just when we are finally about to turn the corner. (in other six months or so)

I regret that anyone would waste time with such a question, when we SHOULD be talking about Barack Obama's SCARY BLACK PASTOR!

I regret that magic ponies didn't appear to make everything all better as planned.

I never said that all of the troops were trying to get out. Many are, others are not. I suggested they have been stretched to the point of breaking by over-deployment. Their families are paying the price for this war. Some of these family problems are the direct result of serial deployments, others from post-traumatic stress syndrome. We also don't seem to be having a discussion about injured soldiers. The tally I saw online was 29,314. Most importantly we've lost our ability to respond to an other military needs. This opportunity cost hasn't really been discussed much despite the administrations interest in Iran. I suppose, if you follow McCain's view, that we'll have to wait 100 years (when we get out of Iraq) to go into Iran.

I read the Joe Wilson debacle endlessly and thoroughly and did not come away with the conclusion GWB has. Congress gets security briefing constantly, notice how they have backed off and hedged on the removal of troops issue. Washington DC has a bull's eye right on it from the terrorists and the politicians, both parties know that. Withdrawing an occupying troop is nearly or more dangerous that invading. None of the politicals are going to want to stand up and take responsiblity for a bad outcome. You want to see our last boys getting out or maybe mowed down? They may need Blackwater and the rest of mercenaries in there covering the retreat. I doubt the foreign press will be around to watch the civilian blood bath after we go. None of our dear boys will be there to protect the chattering class.

LOL- What I said is that you have to believe Bush is running the most intelligent administration if he was able to convince all the Democrats, foreign intelligence services, and Foreign presidents that something he knew was a lie was actually true. Read the whole thing. He must be superintelligent to pull off such a conspiracy that is claimed.

"Put the other guy on the hot seat, make them answer a bunch of questions don't let up and then give a hearty thumbs down to each answer."

Works just as well in politics as in litigation. Especially when the other guy doesn't know his stuff.