Reader comments: Utah Jazz: Williams keeps earning praise
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Torrey Ellis | 12:39 a.m. March 24, 2008
DWill Should cherish his friendship with Chris Paul. It might help him get an autograph for his kids some day.
SLOWn start | 12:42 a.m. March 24, 2008
Yes we have been starting games slow. It takes Slown awhile to get his not yet to be an all star point gaurd focused on team stats and not individual stats.
Would a true leader on this team please stand up?
Would a true leader on this team please stand up?
JazzFan4ever | 12:44 a.m. March 24, 2008
Both Williams and Paul I think stumbled into good situations with owners that are intelligently rebuilding their teams.That is partly why they are finding success so early.The GM's are really try to find the missing pieces to the puzzle and are working with a plan whereas other teams just don't seem to have the patience with their young players or their coaches.Criticize the Jazz brass all you want but at least they show patience and work with a gameplan even if most don't like it or have the patience.
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Jazzian | 12:47 a.m. March 24, 2008
Torrey boy are you drunk? It's Easter not Fools Day. You got it backwards man. Chris Paul should brush up his friendship skills to ensure that autograph from DWILL.
Season Ticket Holder | 1:07 a.m. March 24, 2008
Torrey, I'm still laughing bro. That was one of the most clever Dwill digs I've heard. Ha Ha!!
I kind of agree with you. CP3 seems to be in a league of his own. CP3 has captured the best record in the best basketball conference of all time.
DWill and his more able supporting cast have done everything they could to give away their spot in the playoffs this year. I guess there is still enough bad teams and road games to get that done.
I kind of agree with you. CP3 seems to be in a league of his own. CP3 has captured the best record in the best basketball conference of all time.
DWill and his more able supporting cast have done everything they could to give away their spot in the playoffs this year. I guess there is still enough bad teams and road games to get that done.
JazzFan4ever | 1:08 a.m. March 24, 2008
RE: Jazzian nicely said. RE:SLOWN I agree to a degree I hope Williams doesn't get ahead of himself and continues to improve his game by leaps and bounds. I don't want to praise him too much now because he has a long career ahead of him.Defense and more defense. Win just win. And now work just more work.(for D-Will and his boys let them not forget that we love effort and hustle above all else before incredible stats)
WilliamsFan4Ever | 1:18 a.m. March 24, 2008
I love Dwill as my handle suggests.
I also call it like it is.
Dwill has the talent the body and the skill.
Chris Paul has all the intangebles that separate him and guys like Karl Malone and John Stockton from guys like Derrick Coleman, Roy Tarpley and Mark Jackson.
DWill doesn't seem to have those intangebles. He definitely is not a an elite leader. He is an elite point gaurd but not an elite leader and he doesn't seem to bring it every night.
I hope he developes these intangeables that is if they can be developed.
I also call it like it is.
Dwill has the talent the body and the skill.
Chris Paul has all the intangebles that separate him and guys like Karl Malone and John Stockton from guys like Derrick Coleman, Roy Tarpley and Mark Jackson.
DWill doesn't seem to have those intangebles. He definitely is not a an elite leader. He is an elite point gaurd but not an elite leader and he doesn't seem to bring it every night.
I hope he developes these intangeables that is if they can be developed.
Stop it!!! | 1:44 a.m. March 24, 2008
Please Jazz fans stop with the crap about DWILL. He's great. He's who we picked, but please stop with the nonsense about him being better than Chris Paul. Everyone in Basketball knows this is just nonsense. Chris Paul is so much more of a Jerry Sloan type player too. Stop with that nonsense. Sloan likes guys who play hard every night and get results as a team not as an individual. That's what Paul is all about.
Jimmy's Sneakers | 7:13 a.m. March 24, 2008
Jimmy thinks DWill and CP3 are great players and have landed in perfect situation for them. They will undoubtedly be compared throughout their careers due to their draft status, but each of their final legacies will be determined by one thing and one thing only, NBA Championships.
Jimmy thinks it is funny that people talk so much about Tim Duncan being the GOAT power forward (yes I know he is a center) despite the fact that he has averaged only 21.7 ppg and 11.7 rpg versus Karl Malones 25 ppg and 10.1 rpg (Malone also has better ast and stls, Duncan better blks). Duncan's stats are over only 11 seasons versuses Malones 19 and Duncan has already begun to slow down over the past 3 years meaning he will likely not approach any of Malones major milestones. But the fact remains he has 4 rings on his finger, Malone has none, and despite the fact that Duncan has arguably had a better supporting cast and played in a more watered down league, Duncan, by the majority of NBA fans will be considered the GOAT.
If DWill truly wants to cement his legacy over CP3 he must win a title.
Jimmy thinks it is funny that people talk so much about Tim Duncan being the GOAT power forward (yes I know he is a center) despite the fact that he has averaged only 21.7 ppg and 11.7 rpg versus Karl Malones 25 ppg and 10.1 rpg (Malone also has better ast and stls, Duncan better blks). Duncan's stats are over only 11 seasons versuses Malones 19 and Duncan has already begun to slow down over the past 3 years meaning he will likely not approach any of Malones major milestones. But the fact remains he has 4 rings on his finger, Malone has none, and despite the fact that Duncan has arguably had a better supporting cast and played in a more watered down league, Duncan, by the majority of NBA fans will be considered the GOAT.
If DWill truly wants to cement his legacy over CP3 he must win a title.
Joe | 7:17 a.m. March 24, 2008
Why are any of you anointing these guys now? Let's give them both some time before we put them into the Hall of Fame. Either could have a career-ending injury and end up just a footnote in NBA history. CP already lost nearly a whole year to injury last year.
Besides, arguments can be made for either. CP has stats. D-Will has head-to-head wins. CP has a regular season advantage this year. D-Will led his team to the conference finals last year. This can go back and forth till your head spins.
Stop it!!! would like to convince you that the decision has been made. Just four or five months ago the decision had been made in favor of D-Will. The mythical "everyone in basketball" that he cites was hot on D-Will at the beginning of the season. Barring injury or some other unforeseen event, this thing is going to ebb and flow for the next decade.
Besides, arguments can be made for either. CP has stats. D-Will has head-to-head wins. CP has a regular season advantage this year. D-Will led his team to the conference finals last year. This can go back and forth till your head spins.
Stop it!!! would like to convince you that the decision has been made. Just four or five months ago the decision had been made in favor of D-Will. The mythical "everyone in basketball" that he cites was hot on D-Will at the beginning of the season. Barring injury or some other unforeseen event, this thing is going to ebb and flow for the next decade.
Chris Anderson | 8:07 a.m. March 24, 2008
All You D-will haters. Did any of you watch the Playoff last year? D-will dominated and took the Jazz to the third round of the playoffs. D-will was one of the only Jazz players that showed up to play. If any others like Andrea or Matt showed up in the third round against San Antonio that series would have ended up different. We'll see if Chris Paul can do that this year. I don't think they have a prayer. D-will shows up when it counts. When the playoff start, whoever plays the Jazz in the first round, home court or not the other team will be in trouble.
Boise Fan | 8:19 a.m. March 24, 2008
BOTH D-WILL AND PAUL ARE GREAT PLAYERS THEY ARE LEADING THEIR TEAMS TO GREAT RECORDS. BUT ONE THING WILLIAMS HAS THAT PAUL DOESN'T IS WINS IN THE PLAYOFFS. UNTIL PAUL CAN PROVE HIMSELF IN THE PLAYOFFS D-WILL HAS ONE UP ON HIM. AS FAR AS EVERYBODY TRYING TO DESIDE WHICH ONE IS BETTER, JUST LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. THERE LIKE MAGIC AND BIRD, BOTH THE LAKERS AND THE CELTICS WILL AGRUE THAT THERE PLAYER WAS THE BEST AND THEY WOULD NOT TRADE HIM FOR THE OTHER. ITS THE SAME SITUATION, WILLIAMS AND PAUL FIT THEIR TEAMS PERFECTLY AND NEITHER TEAM WOULD TRADE THEIR PLAYER FOR THE OTHER ONE. THEY ARE TWO POINT GUARDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND I AM PLEASED AT THE CHOICE THAT WE MADE WITH WILLIAMS, HE IS SOLID AND HAS PROVEN ONCE ALREADY THAT HE CAN TAKE THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS AND WIN. PAUL HASEN'T DONE THAT YET AND IT WILL BE TOUGH FOR HIM TO DO IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE STRENGH OF THE WEST.
go jazz | 9:36 a.m. March 24, 2008
the jazz are a playoff team unlike teams like the golden state who run and gun. the jazz like to slow it down and get a good shot that is why they will win in the first round. and also if they play good defense then they could go for it all. they are a good enough team to win it. especially with D-will leading the way.
Go Jazz
Go Jazz
Uh Jimmy? | 10:06 a.m. March 24, 2008
Duncan has only 3 rings.
Jimmy's Sneakers | 10:17 a.m. March 24, 2008
@ Uh Jimmy?
Really? Count again. 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 that equals 4 doesn't?
Really? Count again. 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 that equals 4 doesn't?
magnus | 10:21 a.m. March 24, 2008
I think it is questionable to claim the Hornets, as a team, are less talented than the Jazz. Chandler, West and Stojakovic are all very, very good, in fact I would say that the Hornets have one of the best starting fives in the league, right behind Boston. Therefore, I think the argument that Paul has done more with less doesn't work.
I agree with Boise Fan (but you don't have to yell), they are both great players, they have different styles and attitudes but they are both special.
I agree with Boise Fan (but you don't have to yell), they are both great players, they have different styles and attitudes but they are both special.
Inane? | 10:24 a.m. March 24, 2008
Call me back when Chris Paul has been to the conference finals. He's never done anything in his entire career, except that beautiful punch to the groin in the ACC Tournament.
With their remaining schedule, the Hornets may end up playing the Jazz in the first round.
Is anyone out there nervous about the matchup? Really?
With their remaining schedule, the Hornets may end up playing the Jazz in the first round.
Is anyone out there nervous about the matchup? Really?
Chris Anderson | 10:31 a.m. March 24, 2008
I'd welcome the matchup between the Hornets and the Jazz. The Jazz would beat them in six games weather they play them with home court advantage or not. I'm looking forward to the April match up. It should be a fun game to watch.
Why | 10:59 a.m. March 24, 2008
Why are you even comparing the two. It's like comparing Stockton to Magic. Waste of time. They were both incredible playing their style of basketball. Why don't you all just accept the fact that Williams and Paul are both great players and stop comparing them to each other. Enjoy them not compare them.
re:mangus | 11:01 a.m. March 24, 2008
Derron Williams is a very good player, not even a question about it. One of the 5 best point guards in the league right now. However, Chris Paul is, as you said, "special". He is a level above Derron and any other point guard in the league with a possible exception of Steve Nash, who has peaked.
I am a jazz fan, but to say that Derron and Paul are even equal just doesn't add up. I think jazz fans want Derron to be as good as Paul so they keep saying it over and over, but it doesn't change the facts. Derron is in the top 20 players in the league, Chris Paul is probabley 3rd behind only Kobe and Lebron.
Just watch what happens this summer with the olympic roster, Chris Paul will be taken ahead of Derron, and that will be an easy decision. If Derron makes the team, it will be because Kidd has is dropped.
Just curious, have you seen Paul play other that the games against the jazz? He leads the league in steals and shoots nearly 90% from the line and his team is the best in the West.
I am a jazz fan, but to say that Derron and Paul are even equal just doesn't add up. I think jazz fans want Derron to be as good as Paul so they keep saying it over and over, but it doesn't change the facts. Derron is in the top 20 players in the league, Chris Paul is probabley 3rd behind only Kobe and Lebron.
Just watch what happens this summer with the olympic roster, Chris Paul will be taken ahead of Derron, and that will be an easy decision. If Derron makes the team, it will be because Kidd has is dropped.
Just curious, have you seen Paul play other that the games against the jazz? He leads the league in steals and shoots nearly 90% from the line and his team is the best in the West.
Chris Anderson | 11:32 a.m. March 24, 2008
What did CP3 do in College, Where did his team end up last year? What did Deron do in College, what did Deron do last year in the playoffs. These are questions you should way in when you say CP3 is the best point guard. Deron comes up big when it counts, not just durning the season, also in the playoffs. If you look at Dallas last Year they had the MVP and the number one seed, and they were out in the first round. So I'll give CP3 credit once he does something great in the playoffs.If you saw the playoff last year Deron was the only one on the Jazz that domaited his position. Against Barron Davis, & Toni Parker. CP3 is a great player, but we'll find out how good he is, starting in the playoffs. Deron will show up durning the palyoff. I'd hate to be the first team to play the Jazz in the first round.
Who is better? Irrelevant | 12:35 p.m. March 24, 2008
Both are great, have heart, are great leaders, and have good teams around them. Who cares what any of us think on who is better? They are different style players and it would be great to see them match-up in the playoffs. I presently anticipate the Lakers will have the #1 seed (even as a Laker-Hater), but seeds 2-6 or 7 are a crapshoot. There are enough difficult games remaining to significantly change seeding - trying to enjoy the ride!
Feels like the playoffs already. Hopefully the Jazz bring play-off intensity immediately. Their casual behavior in 1st qtr against Lakers a couple of nights ago was a little offensive. They played even or ahead the final three quarters, if memory serves. The Jazz need to wake up if they are going to have home court in round 1, and perhaps 2. If they lose more than 2 of the remaining 11, they will start on the road against someone.
Feels like the playoffs already. Hopefully the Jazz bring play-off intensity immediately. Their casual behavior in 1st qtr against Lakers a couple of nights ago was a little offensive. They played even or ahead the final three quarters, if memory serves. The Jazz need to wake up if they are going to have home court in round 1, and perhaps 2. If they lose more than 2 of the remaining 11, they will start on the road against someone.
Why | 12:36 p.m. March 24, 2008
The only thing that counts is winning. And by that I mean winning in the playoffs. You don't play basketball to finish last unless you are a BYU fan. The problem Paul is going to have is longevity. Deron's built for the long haul which is why the Jazz drafted him. You can make a case for either one of them at this point in their careers. But you watch and Deron will have a much better career because he is built like a linebacker. Paul is built like a waterboy.
Wow | 12:42 p.m. March 24, 2008
So the Jazz are THREE GAMES BEHIND the Hornets and you guys are already calling foul.
Just a few three pointers here or there, one bad December, or maybe even a layup or two here or there and the Jazz would be in the clear lead for the Western Conference regular season win title.
There's almost no difference except that Deron is tougher and wins in the clutch even when guarded by the likes of Kobe.
Like it or not, CP3 could NOT make a 4 point play against Kobe Bryant, he's too small and too weak.
Just a few three pointers here or there, one bad December, or maybe even a layup or two here or there and the Jazz would be in the clear lead for the Western Conference regular season win title.
There's almost no difference except that Deron is tougher and wins in the clutch even when guarded by the likes of Kobe.
Like it or not, CP3 could NOT make a 4 point play against Kobe Bryant, he's too small and too weak.
ZEKE | 12:50 p.m. March 24, 2008
Let`s see what happens in the playoffs and then decide which player is best.The regular season means nothing it`s the playoffs that really counts.
Big-D | 1:16 p.m. March 24, 2008
Great time to be an NBA fan....as it was said before, just sit back and enjoy the ride!
magnus | 1:39 p.m. March 24, 2008
You will not know who is a better player after this years playoffs any more than you will know what team had the most talent. "Well isn't that the one who wins?" you ask...No, it's not. The best player doesn't always win, neither does the most talented team, the Jazz prove that weekly.
@re:magnus
you act like I said that Williams was better than Paul, I didn't.
Your argument that Williams is good, but Paul is special, seems a little bit like going back to 1960 and saying "Bill Russel is good, but Wilt Chamberlain is special..."
I'm not going to argue with the fact that from a numbers standpoint (and because they are both so young, that's all we have to measure with right now) Chris Paul is clearly superior, he's having an amazing season, but it seems to me this argument is about 10 years premature.
@re:magnus
you act like I said that Williams was better than Paul, I didn't.
Your argument that Williams is good, but Paul is special, seems a little bit like going back to 1960 and saying "Bill Russel is good, but Wilt Chamberlain is special..."
I'm not going to argue with the fact that from a numbers standpoint (and because they are both so young, that's all we have to measure with right now) Chris Paul is clearly superior, he's having an amazing season, but it seems to me this argument is about 10 years premature.
adam d | 2:18 p.m. March 24, 2008
They are both the top two pure point guards in the NBA. Who cares which one is slightly better? What are we going to do, trade willams for paul? Give it a rest and consider us lucky for having such talent.
bigjazzfan | 4:03 p.m. March 24, 2008
I don't which one is better I haven't seen chris paul enough to know.
I do know this: while stockton was great point guard magic was a great basketball player.
Probably why Magic won championships while stockton didn't.
So far neither deron willilam nor chris paul have won anything yet.
So the only thing you can say about them is they are both pretty good point guards.
They are both still young make youthful mistakes and have youthful inconsistancy.
And deron williams get a few more assists per game because of the system. And he is not a great defender.
Maybe when they been in the league atleast 6-8 years we will know better.
However if I was betting man I would say Chris Paul has better chance winning a championship than deron willams.
And deron william will have to leave the jazz to have any chance at all.
I do know this: while stockton was great point guard magic was a great basketball player.
Probably why Magic won championships while stockton didn't.
So far neither deron willilam nor chris paul have won anything yet.
So the only thing you can say about them is they are both pretty good point guards.
They are both still young make youthful mistakes and have youthful inconsistancy.
And deron williams get a few more assists per game because of the system. And he is not a great defender.
Maybe when they been in the league atleast 6-8 years we will know better.
However if I was betting man I would say Chris Paul has better chance winning a championship than deron willams.
And deron william will have to leave the jazz to have any chance at all.
Anoymous | 4:28 p.m. March 24, 2008
I agree with adam d...give it all a rest and who cares anyway who is better. I say just let them play their game and enjoy it like they should be doing.Basketball is a game after all that is said and doine. If it's just a job to some players, one that makes them money, then it's no longer fun. It's ok to compete but not to obsess about it.
jjr | 4:44 p.m. March 24, 2008
Remember after the Jazz drafted D-Will, the local press were all saying that he would be serviceable, good but not great point guard? The best I was hoping for at the time was a poor man's Andre Miller. As a Jazz fan I'm just elated that he's as awesome as he is. When the Jazz play together as a team and with intensity they can beat anybody in the league, and that gives them at least an outside shot at a title. If they win a championship, I certainly won't be shedding any tears if we do it with the second best point guard in the league...
Paul | 4:50 p.m. March 24, 2008
I'm sorry but the thing I remember most about Chris Paul is the groin punch in the ACC tournament. Who does that? I've played a lot of basketball but its never ocurred to me to punch somebody there. Until Williams punches somebody in the groin, i'll take him over Paul
TicketHolder | 5:34 p.m. March 24, 2008
What a ridiculous article! Please stop with the praise. He and CP3 haven't accomplished anything to deserve it. Granted they are young and talented but does that warrant the label of greatness. Greatness retired with 6 championships and 6 final mvp's. Until one of them hoist the hardware they are just another average NBA player!
J Hoyt | 9:41 p.m. March 24, 2008
Hey i will be going to watch D-Will this friday when they play the clips and i will guarentee without a doubt he will come out like an allstar and take advantage of the game and win it.. its what he does every night.. he comes out to play ball.. and i am sick of everyone saying cp3 is better then him.. thats bull.. cp3 is like a little pip squeak next to Dwill... haha.. come on seriously.. arent you guys from Utah.. get your heads screwed on and then come back and leave some comments
@ re:mangus | 9:43 p.m. March 24, 2008
You are absolutely correct.
Having Deron as the consolation prize is pretty dang good. I just don't know why Jazz fans keep telling themselves that he's better than Paul
Anybody notice who the NBA named as player of the month?
Chris Paul
Having Deron as the consolation prize is pretty dang good. I just don't know why Jazz fans keep telling themselves that he's better than Paul
Anybody notice who the NBA named as player of the month?
Chris Paul
a real jazz fan | 9:44 p.m. March 24, 2008
Some of you so called Jazz fan's make me sick. Deron williams will not win a championship with the jazz. Thats great bigjazzfan. I can't stand pessimistic fans like yourself. Dan patrick interviewed Phil Jackson this week. While Phil said paul has been a little more consistent against them, He would rather have Williams. His reasoning is that deron williams is much better at orchestrating the utah offense while Paul is the New Orleans offense. I have nba league pass and have watched many hornets games, and their offense is basically Chris Paul penetrate and create something.How often do you see deron williams
penetrate and get stopped. He can get to the whole whenever he wants as well. If he had the ball in his hands as much as Paul, i think he would have better numbers. i also think he is much more fun to watch. Better shot, Crazy cross over, and he can post people up. Paul has more steals because he gambles alot but he also gives up alot of points because of it. Ticketholder, so everyone who has not won a championship is an average nba player? guess that includes stockton and malone.
penetrate and get stopped. He can get to the whole whenever he wants as well. If he had the ball in his hands as much as Paul, i think he would have better numbers. i also think he is much more fun to watch. Better shot, Crazy cross over, and he can post people up. Paul has more steals because he gambles alot but he also gives up alot of points because of it. Ticketholder, so everyone who has not won a championship is an average nba player? guess that includes stockton and malone.
Naha | 10:51 p.m. March 24, 2008
There is no objective way to settle this. No conclusive way to actually compare the two. All the subjective conjecture being posted is interesting but doesn't mean a whole lot.
Each seems to be helping his team. Most fans from each team seem satisfied.
Does it matter as long as the Jazz win?
Each seems to be helping his team. Most fans from each team seem satisfied.
Does it matter as long as the Jazz win?
CP3 | 11:11 a.m. March 25, 2008
CP3 has numbers because everything goes through him in New Orleans...
D Will plays better defense, is bigger and can get to the hole easier, and also has a more consistent jump shot...
Aren't those the main things you want in a player? Good jump shot, plays defense, and can get to the hole? CP3 is great, but the D Will is better at the basics of basketball in my opinion...
Oh, and don't compare defense by saying CP3 averages more steals than D Will, because CP3 gambles way too much, and one more steal a game is not going to change the fact that he gives up 15 points off blown defense...
D Will plays better defense, is bigger and can get to the hole easier, and also has a more consistent jump shot...
Aren't those the main things you want in a player? Good jump shot, plays defense, and can get to the hole? CP3 is great, but the D Will is better at the basics of basketball in my opinion...
Oh, and don't compare defense by saying CP3 averages more steals than D Will, because CP3 gambles way too much, and one more steal a game is not going to change the fact that he gives up 15 points off blown defense...
The Comparison | 12:18 p.m. March 25, 2008
They are both great players. But I haven't and never will think that we made the wrong decision with williams over paul. Paul is a great player, but would never have had the discipline and style that fit in the system in Utah. He is good, but never would have done well in utah. The end. Comparison is over and done with.
lebron | 4:34 p.m. March 25, 2008
lebrons numbers all bettter than kobe's this year. Does that mean he is better than kobe?
Interesting this sort of logic is the same that is used in the cp3 vs dwill debate?
The fact is there is a lot of gray area that makes the comparision between the two a little fuzzy. In other words they are both so good and in similar ways it is impossible to say who is better.
Interesting this sort of logic is the same that is used in the cp3 vs dwill debate?
The fact is there is a lot of gray area that makes the comparision between the two a little fuzzy. In other words they are both so good and in similar ways it is impossible to say who is better.
jazzfan | 2:01 p.m. March 29, 2008
Lebron is better than kobe
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