Reader comments: Sham Indian tribe formed in an Arby's restaurant loses federal RICO case
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c4mackk | 12:09 p.m. May 5, 2008
It was the "Fry Sauce" on on the contract that tipped off the Feds.
Preponderance of Evidence | 12:32 p.m. May 5, 2008
Perhaps we should adopt something stronger than a "preponderance of evidence" in civil actions. If a jury believes there is a 51% chance that the plaintiff is correct, they can award millions in damages. Thus, there's a 49% chance that a person could be wrongfully judged in the wrong. Nothing seems to anger citizens more than stories of injustice, but our system encourages a high rate of injustice, allowing people with the best lawyers to sue people and companies they don't like out of existence and into bankruptcy. In other words, you don't have to be wrong to lose a lawsuit. The jury or judge don't have to be convinced you did wrong or meant to do wrong. All they have to do is rule that there was a greater chance that you are liable than you weren't liable.
Denise | 12:42 p.m. May 5, 2008
C4mackk: LOLOLOLOLOL - They would have had better luck if they had stopped at an Indian Casino for the meeting. At least, they would have been closer to "real recognized" Indians.
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Bob | 1:05 p.m. May 5, 2008
The paper missed a very important fact. Not only are these bunch of yahoos a fake indian tribe, but they also are polygamists in Vernal, Utah. Law enforcement in Vernal has known about them for years, but Utah continues to turn a blind eye towards polygamists because of the history of the LDS Church.
Re: Preponderance of Evidence | 1:12 p.m. May 5, 2008
You know the saying, be careful what you wish for.
Some day you may be in a civil trial trying to prove through a "preponderance of evidence" that you have been wronged. Do you really want to raise that bar to make it more difficult to prove your case?
Some day you may be in a civil trial trying to prove through a "preponderance of evidence" that you have been wronged. Do you really want to raise that bar to make it more difficult to prove your case?
Whoa! | 3:23 p.m. May 5, 2008
Oh Bob, give it a rest. The LDS church and it's history has absolutely nothing to do with the decisions of law enforcement to prosecute or not prosecute a crime. Some people hate the church so much that they see conspiracy in every thing. The church is far too busy building chapels, keeping track of it's missionaries, and generally trying to help people live better lives to worry about somebody being prosecuted in Uintah county
G | 4:05 p.m. May 5, 2008
Why do only Native Americans get to operate casinos? What does gambling have to do with ethnicity?
Re G | 4:26 p.m. May 5, 2008
G,
You're not from "here" are you?
The Native Americans live in their own country, an area resevered (called a Reservation) for them by the US government more than a century ago. They make their own laws.
I wondered where you were from some of your other posts....
You're not from "here" are you?
The Native Americans live in their own country, an area resevered (called a Reservation) for them by the US government more than a century ago. They make their own laws.
I wondered where you were from some of your other posts....
G | 5:19 p.m. May 5, 2008
"The Native Americans live in their own country, an area resevered (called a Reservation) for them by the US government more than a century ago. They make their own laws."
Thanks for the explanation. I'm not completely ignorant, I've driven through a reservation once or twice. But it simply didn't occur to me that that was why.
"You're not from "here" are you?"
No. I'm from the southeast, LDS by conversion. So there are a few things about the culture of the intermountain west that I'm not familiar with.
Thanks for the explanation. I'm not completely ignorant, I've driven through a reservation once or twice. But it simply didn't occur to me that that was why.
"You're not from "here" are you?"
No. I'm from the southeast, LDS by conversion. So there are a few things about the culture of the intermountain west that I'm not familiar with.
You read the charges | 5:44 p.m. May 5, 2008
When you can not beat City Hall
You know it is corrupt
I do not believe these charges
You know it is corrupt
I do not believe these charges
Re G | 5:44 p.m. May 5, 2008
To G
Sorry, I meant the USA not the intermountain west. Most learn of the injustice done to the natives in grade school. I thought you must be from a different place entirely.
The real Native Americans must dislike the "indian Tribe" in this article. Sad when people try to misuse rules intended to help those in need.
Sorry, I meant the USA not the intermountain west. Most learn of the injustice done to the natives in grade school. I thought you must be from a different place entirely.
The real Native Americans must dislike the "indian Tribe" in this article. Sad when people try to misuse rules intended to help those in need.
G | 6:18 p.m. May 5, 2008
"
Sorry, I meant the USA not the intermountain west. Most learn of the injustice done to the natives in grade school. I thought you must be from a different place entirely."
Sorry, I thought you were asking in good faith.
Everybody's ancestors have been exposed to some injustice or another at some time in the past.
Sorry, I meant the USA not the intermountain west. Most learn of the injustice done to the natives in grade school. I thought you must be from a different place entirely."
Sorry, I thought you were asking in good faith.
Everybody's ancestors have been exposed to some injustice or another at some time in the past.
rats | 8:46 p.m. May 5, 2008
I was all set to join!!!
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