Reader comments: ACLU shares concerns over FLDS case
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Anonymous | 8:27 a.m. May 8, 2008
If a person is honest with himself (which disqualifies 99% of Mormons) you have to respect the ACLU's stand on this.
Kudos to the ACLU for providing a balancing check against improper violations of individual civil liberties!
Kudos to the ACLU for providing a balancing check against improper violations of individual civil liberties!
shagira | 9:05 a.m. May 8, 2008
Big words, where's the actions to follow up? You said CPS is violating rights, so intervene and try to correct the problem.
How long before other states start violating the rights of other religions because they don't like those people?
This isn't justice, it's illegal persecution!
How long before other states start violating the rights of other religions because they don't like those people?
This isn't justice, it's illegal persecution!
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child's rights | 4:53 p.m. May 8, 2008
I disagree entirely with the ACLU. They state -"exposure to a religion's beliefs, however unorthodox, is not itself abuse and may not constitutionally be labeled abuse." What if the religion indoctronates the children to break the law? What if the religious beliefs are so restrictive that the children will never lead a normal life nor experience the freedoms we all hold so dear? Have we learned nothing from 900 people drinking poisonious kool-aid? These children have rights - God-given rights - to lead a life of their choosing. Not the life of their parents choosing.
This is not Afganistan - this is America. I'm not saying the CPS was entirely right, but someone needed to get those children out of there. Let them decide for themselves how they want to live their lives. If they are not allowed to see and experience the world (because someone they trust told them it's all evil) then they are in fact being abused. Their civil rights were being violated. The ACLU should be defending the children, not the parents.
This is not Afganistan - this is America. I'm not saying the CPS was entirely right, but someone needed to get those children out of there. Let them decide for themselves how they want to live their lives. If they are not allowed to see and experience the world (because someone they trust told them it's all evil) then they are in fact being abused. Their civil rights were being violated. The ACLU should be defending the children, not the parents.
Anonymous | 9:07 p.m. May 8, 2008
What if the religion indoctronates the children to break the law? What if the religious beliefs are so restrictive that the children will never lead a normal life nor experience the freedoms we all hold so dear
This in no way justifies the violent and traumatic removal of every child and infant. That's something that not even King Herod did. Where in the state law says this justifies such as drastic action? The kids are many times more at risk of mental, physical harm than if they were kept in their homes.
This in no way justifies the violent and traumatic removal of every child and infant. That's something that not even King Herod did. Where in the state law says this justifies such as drastic action? The kids are many times more at risk of mental, physical harm than if they were kept in their homes.
child's rights re anonymous | 10:18 p.m. May 8, 2008
I disagree entirely, Anonymous. It most certainly justifies taking the children. Their civil rights were being denied and they were losing their entire future. Their risk is maybe 5% in the new location, whereas their risk is 100% in the compound. What don't you understand about what was happening to these kids? You actually believe that it is ok to take the entire future from these kids, as their parents were doing to them? To each his own, dude - I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Kids are resilient - they'll bounce back from the "violent and traumatic removal" as you put it, but if left as is on that compound, they'd never recover from that.
Re: Anonymous | 9:58 a.m. May 9, 2008
You are obviously an anti-Mormon who will always say something derogatory about Mormons in your comments on any article the Desert News releases even though the article may have nothing to do directly with Mormons. Congratulations, you win the immature distain and out of touch with reality award.
Also, if you are so concerned about civil liberties why are you so sure removing these children from a potentially unsafe environment was wrong? Never mind, I do not need your two sentence answer that will most likely have bigoted undertones anyways. You have already made your ignorance quit clear.
Also, if you are so concerned about civil liberties why are you so sure removing these children from a potentially unsafe environment was wrong? Never mind, I do not need your two sentence answer that will most likely have bigoted undertones anyways. You have already made your ignorance quit clear.
Anonymous | 11:44 a.m. May 9, 2008
Ok, I admit that I am bigoted against mormons and that I may be a little immature and out of touch. Do me a favor a just pray for me and those FLDS kids. We need it.
Re: Anonymous | 6:36 a.m. May 10, 2008
Although I know you are just mocking prayer in general, I think all of us could use someone praying for us.
Your response did impress me though. Instead of two sentences you provided three... sort of. Your "intellectual" thoughts are just providing an out pour of wisdom!
Why don't you do me a favor and just be honest with yourself and keep your animosity to yourself and stick to the subject of the articles on your posts.
However, I would just continue to let the ACLU state the obvious about the FLDS story for now if I were you.
Your response did impress me though. Instead of two sentences you provided three... sort of. Your "intellectual" thoughts are just providing an out pour of wisdom!
Why don't you do me a favor and just be honest with yourself and keep your animosity to yourself and stick to the subject of the articles on your posts.
However, I would just continue to let the ACLU state the obvious about the FLDS story for now if I were you.
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