Reader comments: 'Road rage' shot barely misses boy
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OOOPS! | 8:39 a.m. May 8, 2008
The quote from "We were soldiers" was made by Sam Elliot, not Shepard! (I feel so retarded)
TB | 9:31 a.m. May 8, 2008
I commute every day. I've witnessed Road Rage from persons driving, vehicles ranging from BMW's to Ford Escorts. The crime committed here was road rage and attempted murder, that's all. If we can get rid of the selfishness in our society then road rage and attemtped murder will cease.
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LJ IN Portland | 9:47 a.m. May 8, 2008
I grew up in Utah and when I return for family visits, I am shocked at how aggressive drivers are there. I have been flipped off and gestured to with small children in the car. People constantly tailgate and 10 to 15 miles over the speed limit is the norm. I think that this is a Utah problem not just a cultural problem!!!!
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left lane is a passing lane | 10:37 a.m. May 8, 2008
if driver would get out the left lane and let the speeding driver pass by there would less of Road Rage it seen drivers doing 60 MPH on the left lane and right lane completely empty UHP should eforce the law that was recently passed on using left lane for passing other cars
CTMac | 10:51 a.m. May 8, 2008
Living in the NY area, I can attest that this is NOT just a Utah problem. Utah drivers are mild compared to what I see out here.
Getting upset and rude gestures are one thing, but acts that can physically harm or kill are another. I hope they get caught and charged with attempted murder. People willing to act like that have no place in society.
Getting upset and rude gestures are one thing, but acts that can physically harm or kill are another. I hope they get caught and charged with attempted murder. People willing to act like that have no place in society.
bhparkman | 11:12 a.m. May 8, 2008
This is why I think everyone needs a gun at all times.
Follow me on this: the knowledge that anyone a criminally-minded nutjob would target is also armed, along with the law-abiding folks near them, then the threat to the criminals life is substantially higher. This is law enforcement - you keep the peace as neighbors, and the police make the arrests.
In this case, the gunman could had a few bullets fired back. Just this knowledge would reduce many folks' unrestrained actions if their own life would be endangered for a stupid act of road rage.
Also, bullet-proofing a car is less expensive these days. Might be a good idea.
Follow me on this: the knowledge that anyone a criminally-minded nutjob would target is also armed, along with the law-abiding folks near them, then the threat to the criminals life is substantially higher. This is law enforcement - you keep the peace as neighbors, and the police make the arrests.
In this case, the gunman could had a few bullets fired back. Just this knowledge would reduce many folks' unrestrained actions if their own life would be endangered for a stupid act of road rage.
Also, bullet-proofing a car is less expensive these days. Might be a good idea.
George | 11:36 a.m. May 8, 2008
I have driven in almost every state and in Washington D.C. I lived in southern California for four years and drove into Los Angeles everyday. It is my opinion that the place with the rudest drivers I have ever seen is Salt Lake City. I am not saying that this particlular driver was at fault, but all of you could help the situation by slowing down a bit and showing a little couteousy. This would help the whole tone of driving and living in Utah. I once had a friend who said he couldn't understand why people didn't think Mormons were Christians. I told him I knew why, and it because they had driven in Salt Lake City. One day I was rudely cut off by a driver that soon turned in to the Church Office Building underground parking. Think about it.
RE: left lane is a passing lane | 11:41 a.m. May 8, 2008
Your comment would have some merit to it in this case if it happened on the freeway, but that's not where it happened. It happened on a regular crowded street. The victim was stopped in traffic for heck's sake! This has nothing to do with observing the rule of the left lane as being the passing lane.
Why | 11:41 a.m. May 8, 2008
are we allowing others to abuse our freedom. Some years ago I proposed a law in the state that would require every adult to learn how to use a fire arm and require every adult to carry a loaded firearm. Maybe if we were all carrying a side arm people would not be so ready to shoot because of anger.
Hoping they get caught is no solution. Even if they are caught nothing will be done. Why do you think they are so aggressive, they know we are a bunch of WIMPS here in the U.S.
Hoping they get caught is no solution. Even if they are caught nothing will be done. Why do you think they are so aggressive, they know we are a bunch of WIMPS here in the U.S.
Re: Why | 12:06 p.m. May 8, 2008
Incredible, "Why". Let's just arm everybody and hope everyone is scared of everyone else. Great solution. So then everything balloons and we start driving armored cars, getting bigger and better guns so we can "protect ourselves". Yes, let's stop being WIMPS here in the U.S. and be "tough guys" like in the jungles of central and South America, Lebanon, the Middle East, etc. I would love to be so liberated and free instead of being burdened by our oppressive society here. Bottom line, there are no easy solutions and we all have to deal with other people's stupidity.
Colorado | 12:07 p.m. May 8, 2008
"Why". So your solution is for everyone to carry a gun? I'm for the right for us to "bear arms"; but, there's simply too much evil in our society, an over abundance of uncontrolled anger, and a very low value placed on the lives of others. Are you really willing to put innocent people; especially children, in harms way? I don't believe we're all a "bunch of WIMPS". I believe we're attempting to be a loving and caring people. You're a hothead with a chip on your shoulder. I hope for your sake and ours, no one takes your solution seriously.
Hispanic? | 1:25 p.m. May 8, 2008
How does Des News know these men were Hispanic? Were they speaking Spanish?
No Matter What | 1:26 p.m. May 8, 2008
No one deserves this no matter what happened before the criminal shot into the car. With that said I find it hard to believe that nothing happened between the two cars. It may have been a completely random shooting. If it wasn't, there is a father somewhere that still has his heart in his throat and a sick stomach thinking his actions may have almost ended in tragedy.
Texan | 1:38 p.m. May 8, 2008
"Why"-
I live in Texas, in an area where at least half of the population carries a loaded firearm. We just have more people shooting at each other on freeways. I'm not saying guns shouldn't be allowed. I'm just telling you that more guns leads to more shooting, not less.
The mentality of someone who is upset (and has a gun) is that the problem will be solved with one shot. The shooter doesn't stop to think about the possibility of shots fired back. The shooter typically doesn't even stop to think that he/she may be jeopardizing the rest of his/her life by killing someone in the heat of the moment. Anger is typically devoid of logic.
The tough thing about road rage shootings (here in Texas and, apparently from this article, in Utah) is that its often hard to catch a shooter on the road. It all happens so fast, and the driver often gets away before anyone knows what's going on.
I live in Texas, in an area where at least half of the population carries a loaded firearm. We just have more people shooting at each other on freeways. I'm not saying guns shouldn't be allowed. I'm just telling you that more guns leads to more shooting, not less.
The mentality of someone who is upset (and has a gun) is that the problem will be solved with one shot. The shooter doesn't stop to think about the possibility of shots fired back. The shooter typically doesn't even stop to think that he/she may be jeopardizing the rest of his/her life by killing someone in the heat of the moment. Anger is typically devoid of logic.
The tough thing about road rage shootings (here in Texas and, apparently from this article, in Utah) is that its often hard to catch a shooter on the road. It all happens so fast, and the driver often gets away before anyone knows what's going on.
Re: Texan | 2:07 p.m. May 8, 2008
People please leave some legitimate information on these blogs. It is alll speculation and opinion and not worth anything but making yourself feel good because you typed something that ended up in a news blog.
Texan, what information do you have that more people where you live are actually carrying guns so therefore there are more drive-by-shootings? What are the demographics? What is the crime rate where you live? Are citizens with legal Concealed Carry permits doing the shooting or is it criminals i.e. gang members?
Personally I believe, and recent research has proven that armed communities and societies such as Switzerland (where every adult male has and must maintain a rifle/weapon within his residence -- from serving two years in the military) have lower crime rates.
Texan, what information do you have that more people where you live are actually carrying guns so therefore there are more drive-by-shootings? What are the demographics? What is the crime rate where you live? Are citizens with legal Concealed Carry permits doing the shooting or is it criminals i.e. gang members?
Personally I believe, and recent research has proven that armed communities and societies such as Switzerland (where every adult male has and must maintain a rifle/weapon within his residence -- from serving two years in the military) have lower crime rates.
Illegal Activities | 2:12 p.m. May 8, 2008
Shooting a gun at somone is illegal. Shooting a gun in a public place is illegal. The gun is probably illegal. The individuals shooting the gun might be --oh wait we cannot say that so just throw it out.
I wish we had some more gun laws.
I wish we had some more gun laws.
wallofvoodoo | 2:46 p.m. May 8, 2008
LJ IN Portland and George. I have driven in Southern California and Seattle. While Utah drivers are not what I would call good, California and Washington drivers are just as bad. People equate aggressive driving with good driving, which is not true.
I have a 45 minute commute through three counties each day, and yes 99% of the drivers drive like morons. But honestly I was cut off, tailgted, not let in and saw no blinker syndrome as much elsewhere as I do here. Kudos to out of state drivers on merging, it is a concept that has always escaped Utah drivers grasp that they actually seem to do quite well at. Maybe that one ability is why everybody raves about out of state drivers, because I cannot see any other reason.
I have a 45 minute commute through three counties each day, and yes 99% of the drivers drive like morons. But honestly I was cut off, tailgted, not let in and saw no blinker syndrome as much elsewhere as I do here. Kudos to out of state drivers on merging, it is a concept that has always escaped Utah drivers grasp that they actually seem to do quite well at. Maybe that one ability is why everybody raves about out of state drivers, because I cannot see any other reason.
Re: Why | 3:08 p.m. May 8, 2008
If everyone carries a loaded weapon we will simply revert to the lawless days of the Wild West. Bring on the show down. "You offended me so let's go shoot at each other in the street. Of course I'm not worried about you shooting at me 'cause I'm faster and you'll be dead before you can get a shot off." Everyone carrying loaded guns is not the answer.
Not a research paper | 3:17 p.m. May 8, 2008
Re:Texan,
"Legitimate" information is hard to leave since links are not allowed. Who wants to type in all that info?
"Legitimate" information is hard to leave since links are not allowed. Who wants to type in all that info?
To:bhparkman | 5:18 p.m. May 8, 2008
If guns were illegal they wouldn't have been shot at. If some argue that a woman can protect herself with a gun they only forget that 'what if the opressor had a bigger gun?'
We live in a country that the legal system doesn't accept taking the law into your own hands very well.
By never owning a gun I can say that I'll never loose my temper and use it inappropriately. I can defend myself well enough without one. By having one who is to say that I will aim better and faster than my enemy.
Gun arguments are flawed in every respect of the word "flaw". Weapons can be just; people just shouldn't be promoting them. Those who have them should have to work VERY hard to prove worthy of ownership and it should be a low part of our society.
Give everyone a gun and you won't have order, you will have chaos. Americans can't handle guns enough already.
Chinese proverb "All under heaven", When we lay down our weapons we are all the same. Bigger bombs make bigger bombs. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Nothing will change until people are willing.
We live in a country that the legal system doesn't accept taking the law into your own hands very well.
By never owning a gun I can say that I'll never loose my temper and use it inappropriately. I can defend myself well enough without one. By having one who is to say that I will aim better and faster than my enemy.
Gun arguments are flawed in every respect of the word "flaw". Weapons can be just; people just shouldn't be promoting them. Those who have them should have to work VERY hard to prove worthy of ownership and it should be a low part of our society.
Give everyone a gun and you won't have order, you will have chaos. Americans can't handle guns enough already.
Chinese proverb "All under heaven", When we lay down our weapons we are all the same. Bigger bombs make bigger bombs. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Nothing will change until people are willing.
What | 6:59 p.m. May 8, 2008
Giving everyone a gun wouldn't create chaos, criminals create chaos. If Switzerland has a low crime rate and everyone has guns, then what data are you using to support your theory that giving everyone a gun would create chaos? The solution is simple, everyone needs to value human life. Those that don't value human life are the problem, not guns.
JPearson | 11:18 p.m. May 8, 2008
To validate irresponsible behavior by calling it "road rage" should be offensive to everyone everywhere with any sense whatsoever. Firing any weapon, legal or illegal at or in the general direction of other human beings much less in crowded conditions where the chances of actually hitting someone by intent or chance should not be dismissed with a shrug of the shoulders and applying some inane term such as "road rage" It should be addressed for what it is: attempted murder and every possible effort should be made to try to find, convict and remove from society any idiot who would do such a thing. If owning a firearm were illegal, then only the criminals would have them because they will have them at any cost. Fortunately the shooter in question didn't have an AK-47. Why does any private citizen need an AK-47? But the bad guys have them and worse yet, use them.
Tired of rude drivers | 11:32 p.m. May 8, 2008
On my way home tonight, a white Ford pickup truck cut into a turn lane and I had to brake hard to avoid hitting him. I honked, but gave no gesture. The driver of the other vehicle rounded the corner, let me pass and then began following me. I was able to shake him at a stoplight, but who knows what he had in mind if he had caught up with me?
There are a nauseatingly high numbers of rude drivers who treat everyone else on the road badly and then give rude gestures, scream/yell, shoot at you, or whatever, because you dare to point out with a toot on the horn that what they did was not courteous or legal. Why are these people allowed to drive at all?
Maybe a psychiatric evaluation is needed before giving out driver's licenses to get some of the rude and crazy drivers off the road who are a danger to all the other law-abiding drivers.
There are a nauseatingly high numbers of rude drivers who treat everyone else on the road badly and then give rude gestures, scream/yell, shoot at you, or whatever, because you dare to point out with a toot on the horn that what they did was not courteous or legal. Why are these people allowed to drive at all?
Maybe a psychiatric evaluation is needed before giving out driver's licenses to get some of the rude and crazy drivers off the road who are a danger to all the other law-abiding drivers.
the mom | 1:34 p.m. May 9, 2008
I am the mother & girlfriend to all victims that were in that jeep. They were on their way home from work/school & this creep who shot at them was pissed because he couldnt get past my boyfriend in 6:30 traffic on 3500 S. My boyfriend was more concerned with seeing if my 7 & 3 year old sons had been shot than checkin out the car that shot at them. He saw them coming up on his left in the turning lane, in the drivers side mirror & started to slow down to let them pass. He then noticed them slowing down also & saw the gun in the drivers hand pointing it at them. Thats when he hit the gas to try to get away & they fired the shot at him. They then took off north on 3200 w & my boyfriend attempted to chase for a moment when he heard my 7 year old screaming he was hurt. He then pulled over to make sure the kids were ok & the jerks got away.
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I try my best to drive curteous(SP) but sometimes stuff happens. I have been cussed out, flipped off and honked at but I have never been shot at. I hope this isn't a trend. During my close calls on the road, whether my fault or someone elses I am more relieved than upset.