Reader comments: Archbishop likely to gently brake Pelosi
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Bot | 3:26 a.m. Sept. 20, 2008
Catholic Democratic politicans want it both ways: they want the funds from the abortionists, but they want the Catholic votes. Maybe after a chat with their Archbishops, they will be a little less two-faced.
And your point is? | 4:46 a.m. Sept. 20, 2008
Ms. Pelosi's statement is accurate. It can't be challenged from either a scientific or religious perspective. We simply don't know when life begins.
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Bot3 | 8:20 a.m. Sept. 20, 2008
Catholic Democrats Rule!!!
Funny | 9:32 a.m. Sept. 20, 2008
I think it's funny. If a Utah liberal proclaimed that "society needed both conservatives and liberals because a car needed both an accelerator and a brake," and therefore the prophet ought to listen to him, I think a majority of Utahans would object.
When it's the other way around, with the conservative putting brakes on the liberal, suddenly it's a good thing.
When it's the other way around, with the conservative putting brakes on the liberal, suddenly it's a good thing.
charlie184 | 9:36 a.m. Sept. 20, 2008
In the words of a sainted Catholic who labored among the lowest ranks of the downtrodden, "The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between."
DR Don | 10:57 a.m. Sept. 20, 2008
"When it's the other way around, with the conservative putting brakes on the liberal, suddenly it's a good thing."
Niederauer a conservative?????????????? Not in this lifetime!
Niederauer a conservative?????????????? Not in this lifetime!
watchout | 12:02 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
Pelosi's view on women's reproductive rights is by far more moral than is the Catholic church's view: no one has the right to force a woman to carry a fetus to term. The Popes have caused untold suffering in the world by his stand on birth control and abortion. Millions have died because they did not use condoms and contracted AIDS.
dcc | 12:28 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
If the Archbishop can get pregnant he's entitled to an opinion. Otherwise he can shut up.
BigAl | 12:46 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
To dcc: The Archbishop is not offering an "opinion". He is defining Catholic Doctrine, which in the Church is equivalent to "Law". If you are in a position to define Catholic Doctrine you are entitled to do so. Other wise, "Shut up"!!!!!!!!!
DR Don | 1:47 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
"The Popes have caused untold suffering in the world by his stand on birth control and abortion. Millions have died because they did not use condoms and contracted AIDS."
Got a source for that statistic that millions of Catholics have died of AIDS for following the church's teachings?
Got a source for that statistic that millions of Catholics have died of AIDS for following the church's teachings?
Faithful Papist | 2:28 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
To watchout:
"…misery is not produced by people who bring up children to learn faithfulness and love, respect for life and self restraint, but by those who try to talk us out of morality and see man only in a mechanistic way: the condom seems to them more effective than reality, but when they think you can replace the moral dignity of man with condoms, so as to make his freedom no longer a danger to him, then they have stripped man of all dignity, down to his most basic self, and have produced exactly what they claim to be preventing: a selfish society in which everyone lives his own life and is responsible for nothing and no one. Misery comes from demoralizing society, not from moralizing it, and the condom propaganda is an essential part of this demoralizing, the expression of an attitude that despises people and that in any case thinks people capable of nothing good whatsoever." -Pope Benedict XVI
Liberals are so use to the government telling them what to do they can't stand the thought of someone taking actual responsibility for their own actions.
"…misery is not produced by people who bring up children to learn faithfulness and love, respect for life and self restraint, but by those who try to talk us out of morality and see man only in a mechanistic way: the condom seems to them more effective than reality, but when they think you can replace the moral dignity of man with condoms, so as to make his freedom no longer a danger to him, then they have stripped man of all dignity, down to his most basic self, and have produced exactly what they claim to be preventing: a selfish society in which everyone lives his own life and is responsible for nothing and no one. Misery comes from demoralizing society, not from moralizing it, and the condom propaganda is an essential part of this demoralizing, the expression of an attitude that despises people and that in any case thinks people capable of nothing good whatsoever." -Pope Benedict XVI
Liberals are so use to the government telling them what to do they can't stand the thought of someone taking actual responsibility for their own actions.
CBU | 2:52 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
To Faithful Papist:
Thank you for sharing the inspired words of Pope Benedict XVI. Although we may adhere to different in doctrines and dogma, I share with you these great values from a great Pope.
Thanks!
To Charlie184: Mother Teresa spoke the truth. Thanks for reminding us!
Thank you for sharing the inspired words of Pope Benedict XVI. Although we may adhere to different in doctrines and dogma, I share with you these great values from a great Pope.
Thanks!
To Charlie184: Mother Teresa spoke the truth. Thanks for reminding us!
Pico | 5:10 p.m. Sept. 20, 2008
If this had been a story about the leaders of the LDS church meeting with an LDS politician to indulge in a "teaching moment" the uproar would have been deafining. This is not the first, nor I suspect the last that the Catholic church will try to influence a Catholic politican to toe the line.
George | 12:11 a.m. Sept. 21, 2008
why are there some people upset that Pelosi is going against catholic doctrine? You mormons have Mitt Romney and Harry Reid. Romney who sees nothing wrong with abortion and gay rights. Wasn't it him who said that polygamy and the black issue was wrong to begin with? Doesn't he have the priesthood and wasn't he a bishop and stake president, and yet he is going against the church leadership and the leadership refuses to do anything about him?
obeara | 2:41 p.m. Sept. 21, 2008
Even if you do not believe in a soul, a person exists the moment the DNA from the two parents unite. The pattern is set. Existence. Life. From there on it is all experience. Choice is birth control. Abortion is killing. Not murder unless it is against the law, but it is killing a person. As for The Catholic Church, the Pope has the last word on matters of faith am morals, and life begins at conception.
Faithful Papist | 3:07 p.m. Sept. 21, 2008
To Pico:
If Mrs. Pelosi had not told the entire country on national TV that she was a committed Catholic in good standing with the church and in the same breath taught something that the Catholic Church teaches as heretical, the Catholic Church would not have asked to meet with her to clarify the true teaching. If someone with her influence is telling people the Catholic Church teaches something different that it does, you can't honestly expect the Catholic Church not to defend itself against such teaching.
To George:
your analogy is interesting but unrelated. If Romney would have taught something that is contrary to LDS teaching in the public forum I would expect the LDS Church to meet with him and clarify the true LDS position.
The only reason why the Catholic Church is speaking out, is because it's protecting the dogmatic teachings of the church. If Mrs. Pelosi hadn't said anything in the first place the issue would have only been between her, her pastor and God. The Church didn't make this an issue Mrs. Pelosi did. The Catholic Church is only clarifying what it's true teachings are.
If Mrs. Pelosi had not told the entire country on national TV that she was a committed Catholic in good standing with the church and in the same breath taught something that the Catholic Church teaches as heretical, the Catholic Church would not have asked to meet with her to clarify the true teaching. If someone with her influence is telling people the Catholic Church teaches something different that it does, you can't honestly expect the Catholic Church not to defend itself against such teaching.
To George:
your analogy is interesting but unrelated. If Romney would have taught something that is contrary to LDS teaching in the public forum I would expect the LDS Church to meet with him and clarify the true LDS position.
The only reason why the Catholic Church is speaking out, is because it's protecting the dogmatic teachings of the church. If Mrs. Pelosi hadn't said anything in the first place the issue would have only been between her, her pastor and God. The Church didn't make this an issue Mrs. Pelosi did. The Catholic Church is only clarifying what it's true teachings are.
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Unfortunately Queen Nancy has developed quite an impressive opinion of herself after ruling over the house. Although the Archbishop may hope for a teaching moment, I doubt that there is sufficient humility for her grace to think her opinions need modification.
Good luck, Archbishop. Let us pray for you.