Reader comments: Onus on McCain to turn race around

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Sad Daze | 12:36 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
A consumable war with people as victims and finances that are shed by the billions is an indication where Bush has lead us and where McCain and Pallin will surely continue. Say "NO" to the hidden agenda's and deceit of the populace on Nov 4
Say "No" to the invitations to Corrupt politicians to our valley. We have enough corruption to last the millenia.Air Farce One and its occupants "you are not welcome here" along with your co-horts "Cheney the architect of destruction of the innocent and the collaborator of the unjust.Utah send a clear message to the State of Corruption...Washington DC.. that we have had enough!!Republicans and Democrats are not welcome here. They are all liars and cheats
A Risk? | 12:45 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
They say it may be a risk if McCain takes his attack ads on Obama too far. McCain always goes too far. Does anyone remember what this man of "values" said about Mitt Romney during the primaries. Personally I feel McCain has already gone too far. If he can't win an election by telling people why he's the best man for the job,especially after promising to run only a clean campaign, (I wonder where his hits on Romney fall in that logic?) he has no business getting the job.
Curious | 12:48 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
How come I know more about Sarah Palin than I do Obama's accomplishments in the Senate?

It appears as though there has been more coverage of Palin than Obama. I've heard alot about what she did be it great or bad, but still haven't heard or read anything concrete about Obama?

Any suggestions on where I can learn more about him? He seems like a great orator. But he sounds more into government being involved in everything-- case in point his plan for the Arts.

What's he really done? Thanks for the help.
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Amazing | 12:51 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Only 7 years after 9/11 we are on the verge of electing a man with close ties to an unapologetic American Terrorist, an anti- American cleric, and many other anti- American, deceitful fools/liars. Where is Reverend Wright? We need you right now Reverend!!! Please come back out from the shadows and open your mouth again!!! American attention spans have decreased to 5 minutes or less so get back out here and show us once again who B. Hussein Obama really is!!!
orion | 1:42 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
60% of Utahns would vote for McCain? Does that mean all those who were so fervently decrying the hideous war in Iraq on these pages were only paying lip service?
All Knowing | 4:17 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Lets be honest, anything could be better than the past 8 years of the Bush Administration. I think my little 8 year old nephew could have handled the office of Presidency better than George W Bush. What is sad is the very fact that racism is still very alive in the United States of America not to mention the state of Utah. Many dare not come out in full expression of their hate towards black Americans but are nonetheless willing to do so in their hearts. I am 100% confident that racism is all around the people of Utah. I live in the atmosphere and work with many people that are flat out racists. If it weren't a race issue, Barack would be winning by close to 15% to 20%. There is a reason why John McCain was once the red headed step child of the GOP Party. There is also a reason why McCain lost to Georgy 8 years ago. And what an insult to Mitt Romney by picking such a moron in Sarah Palin. She is a total embarrassment to the position of Vice President. Yes We Can! Go Barack Go! Our prayers are with you.
whatyoutalkingabout | 5:13 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
sheesh, such bigoted comments based on fear (hello, amazing???--everyone knows Obama isn't Muslim and judging obama on his crazy pastor, uh ok?? that would mean that palin's crazy pastor speak about 'saving' the gays shouldn't be out of bounds then?).

Any google search will bring up Obama's accomplishments. But people won't make this effort because they are too afraid to admit they are scared of voting for a black man.
Timj | 5:54 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Amazing--
Check your facts.
"close ties to...terrorist"--the ties are distant.
And if you're looking for ties to anti-Americans, look no further than Sarah Palin. Her husband was, for several years, a member of an Alaskan group who's main goal was to separate from the rest of the US.
Eugene | 6:24 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
The following are the significant accomplishments that OBama has had in the US Senate:

The following is Obama's executive experience:

Exactly! Doesn't that scare you? Obama has been running for President for the past 4 years (the only reason he was elected to the Senate) and we don't know anything about his experience or accomplishments. And we want to turn over the government to him?

Come on America, it's time to get smart and take back our country from the professional politicians before they destroy us!!!
McCain's ties to booze | 6:46 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
With the continued attacks on Obama's supposed ties to "terrorists" and "religous extremists" noted by "Amazing" above, let's not forget McCain's current financial ties to booze and gambling, his leaving his crippled first wife for his current trophy beer heiress, and his erradic behavior throughout the campaign trail -- from attacking Spain's leaders to selecting Palin onto the ticket (who has become an increasing liability and joke on television) to his threats to blow off the first debate to his claim he was needed to "save" the country with the bailout bill.

At least, Obama is a good family man -- one wife, pulled himself up from a broken home to get degrees from top universities on scholarships. And instead of working in a big time law firm after graduation to "live large like McCain," he turned to helping the poor in Chicago as a community organizer.

McCain's emphasize on deregulation over the years has led us to our current financial crisis, and we can't afford another four years to "let the free market work" policies -- which is nothing more than "let's do nothing" or "give tax breaks to the rich." The middle class is tired to being ignored!
Anonymous | 6:46 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Socialistic views always sound good that's why Obama is ahead in the polls. The problem is they don't work, just look at history. Socialists say: But how will the poor eat, how will the poor be educated, how will our problems be solved: Big government is the answer, heavy taxation is the cure, 'Big Daddy' will control you from cradle to grave he'll regulate you.

Freedom lovers say: Educate: not regulate. We believe in self-reliance, self-determination, self-responsibility, self-respect, self-restraint. The solution to our problems: self-government. We're controlled by a power inside us. We restrain ourself which gives men trust.

Stay far away from someone who says they can solve all our problems. They can't.
Stand up for morality | 7:41 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
The people of Utah need to decide who has the highest MORALS. John McCain is a proven skirt chaser, a man that walked out on his wife, a man that will lie to get what he wants. Cindy better watch closely his motives with Sarah.

McCain, who walked out on his wife can't be trusted with the PRESIDENCY. Come on Utah, stand up for your reputation. DON'T VOTE for the old skirt chaser.
DAve | 7:45 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Obomas accomplishments? He was a lawer for ACORN, a group that blackmails banks into making sub-prime loans, to people who will vote democratic, and the reason we just had to spend 700 billion.
Kevin | 7:55 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Let this be the last presidential election with only two choices.
Judy | 8:19 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
It is very funny to have Utahns decrying "socialism"--it and ALASKA are two states that are net beneficiaries of our tax system. Tax NY, tax Chicago, tax LA, etc and the money goes to Utah (and ALaska, even more so).
Obama was on a charitable board with Bill Ayers, the founder of the Weather Underground and who is now a professor at a respected university (and it isn't even clear that Obama knew about Ayers' past when his political mentor took him to the guy's home for a fundraiser.) In contrast, Palin's HUSBAND was the member of a separatist party that advocates Alaska leaving the union and she spoke to them at their convention. McCain claims he knew about this when he selected her. So who is in bed (literally) with the traitors?????????
Anonymous | 8:26 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Amazing, and all you other fear mongers: you are practicing exactly the kind of politics - based on fear and lies - that have gotten us in this position AND that sunk Romney's campaign.

Wisen up! Obama is not the anti christ. He is not a muslim radical (he is not even Muslim, but what are you bigoted if he was?). He is exceptional bright and has spent his entire life including over ten years in public office, trying to make this a better country.

Take your heads out, and see the truth. not what fear mongers would have you believe.
KLEO | 8:29 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
One thing we DO know is the voting record of Obama during his very short time in the senate...the most liberal of all! Remember the story of the Pied Piper of Hamblin? Obama has spent the last 2 years piping a 'sweet' tune of socialism, appeasement, and liberal agenda. Now that he needs to bring in the rest of the easily swayed masses, he is appearing to be more moderate. Young people like him because he's cool, tecno-savvy, and can communicate well. Well, of course, he's a lawyer! The peer pressure is great! Many look at the Hollywood elite and don't want to be out of step with Matt Damon, etc. Now isn't that ridulous? John McCain has experience and wisdom. Sure he's old, but some of the wisest people I know are old. If McCain can survive the rigors of running for this election, he'll survive four more years.
Family Values & Morality | 8:47 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Not just McCain, but Sarah Palin had an affair with her husbands partner. Maybe if she was raising her kids she wouldn't have an un-married pregnant teenager. If Pain were ever to take over as President. Heaven help us. SHe doesn't even know the names of newspapers or magazines she reads. Duh!
to Stand Up | 8:55 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Ms. Palin herself has had an affair under her belt as well. With Toddy's business partner at that! Hanson is his name, and courts just last week denined him the right to keep his divorce file sealed - as Palin is named as the reason he and his wife split. Of Course, we all know about McCain and his Cindy.

I am not a huge Obama fan. But if I am voting just on morals alone, I've got to take into account that the Obama's have 2 children conceived and born in wedlock (Palin was expecting her first child prior to her quickie marriage). Biden too, has all his children conceived and born in wedlock.

And yet, we tout the GOP ticket as the most 'moral'.
To Kevin | 8:56 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Let this be the last one where we have NO choices.
Mr. Irony | 9:11 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
So amusing to watch McPalin running against their own party. Let's see, "mistakes were made, blunders in Iraq, Wall Street greed and corruption," ad infinitum, ad nauseam. Who do they think have been running things for the last 8 years?
Maverick of the Senate | 9:12 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
McCain made a critical tactical error in his attempt to persuade the American voting public that he was a populist maverick who could be trusted. When he could have drawn a clear distinction between himself and Obama he voted with the "ayes" on the worst piece of Senate-produced legislation in our lifetime, thus sinking his chance for the White House. He threw one too many hail Mary passes in this election, and his "suspend my campaign" stunt failed miserably on that vote. He caved in under the torture of political expediency, and now his support will weaken dramatically among the folks who thought they could trust him.
KM | 9:13 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
@Kevin 7:55
Your comment was the shortest and the best!
This is all the TWO party system can give us? Give me a break!
John | 9:22 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
It is a amazing to me that so many people are touting the tax the rich. This is classic cultural warefare spewed from, one of the few, sucess stories of affirmative action.

Business will pass on the increased tax costs to main street in the blink of an eye and basic goods and services will increase in price.

The repulican party has abandoned basic principles and that is why Obama even has a chance. Lower taxes, smaller government.

Try working with a government run entity. It is a nightmare and Obama is bringing more of the same.

Ronald Reagan said "we're from the government, we're here to help". Don't expect help from any political party this election cycle. They are both screwed up.
Where's The Responsibility | 9:25 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
It is true that big business, primairily the financial part of our country has deceived, lied, conieved, and been extremely GREEDY. But where is the mentality, and responsibility of the american citizens that are stuck with these mortgages and debt? Do you not need to take your fair share of the blame? I personnaly believe that you do. What are you thinking when you bury yourselfs in debt beyond your means for the sake of living the high life way, way beyond your ability to pay? Do you live in a total fantasy world? Well if you do--WAKE UP TO REALITY.
Anonymous | 9:27 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Let's get this behind us, get Obama elected and move forward.
Linguist | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
"Anonymous" wrote, "Stay far away from someone who says they can solve all our problems. They can't."

This is correct.

But also, stay away from those who say that they can solve NONE of your problems. That, my friends, is the quintessential core message of that icon of the modern Republican Party, President Ronald Reagan. His mantra, remember, was "Government isn't the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem."

President Reagan was just as wrong as those who think we should always look to government to solve problems. But those who claim that the current Wall Street crisis is simply due to "greed" (yeah, and there's gambling in the casino!), fail to understand that our government of, for and by the people is necessary and isn't evil. It's US. And we the people formed it for some very important reasons.
Race is not an issue | 9:47 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
People's distain for Obama has NOTHING to do with race. Notice the only people who have mentioned race so far in this comment section are Obama supporters. The reason Obama doesn't have a double digit lead is because he is SHADY. Obama has done nothing in his life so far to help anyone other than rabid abortionists (voted for gruesome partial birth abortion) and he is very close to the presidency. This is insane!
My Posts | 10:05 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I have never made a comment that was abusive, offensive, off-topic or misrepresentative. Yet, TDN will not post my comments.

Thank you: A Risk?, All Knowing, whatyoutalkingabout, Timj, McCain's ties to booze, and Stand up for morality for taking the time to make your comments.
Anonymous | 10:20 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Dear "Stand up for morality," this election is not about personal morals, and your insinuation is despicable. You want to hear Obama's morals, read his self-aggrandizing memoirs. Or see how he and his campaign deal with critics like Stanley Kurtz. Jimmy Carter supposedly had very high personal morals. He was abysmal as President- and he was much smarter than this lightweight.

This election is about who can implement conservative ideals which ALWAYS work when implemented. This election is about combating global jihad, turning back expanding liberal government intrusion, supreme court appointments, a semi-comotose US economy (brought on by liberal regulation and mismanagement, as well as Republican laziness). These are consequential times and we can't afford a vaporware candidate like BO.

No, this election isn't about the morals of any candidate, it's about leadership and common sense. Obama is a "phone-in" polititian who always voted "present" whenever a tough choice came up, except when it involved the option to kill babies- then he just really showed who he is. He is a do-nothing, media creation.

I have no love for McCain, but Obama? Never.
re: Orion | 10:33 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
What planet are you on? If we sent out troops home today then our kids and grandkids will be in the worst of wars in the near future and everyone knows this.

We don't want the war but we NEED to finish it.

McCain is NOT the best answer but he is a BETTER answer than Obama is. Personally, I don't want either one. But we must choose the lesser of the bad.
True Veteran Advocate | 10:36 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
McCain has no right to ride the Coat Tails of his Captivity in Vietnam after he eventually turned over evidence to get out of the POW camp! America forgets that fact!! He's a hero, but ultimately a chicken.
To Amazing: Sounds like a direct reference to McCains abilities demonstrated during the Presidential debate: "American attention spans have decreased to 5 minutes or less". McCain could do no more than repeat old campaign rhetoric, stammering and stuttering reflecting his real age and abilities.
Too bad my vote is still the lesser of two evils.
Ultimately, I'm with Kevin ~ let this be the last election with only two choices.

I don't want an Alcohol Heiress, or her money, in our White House, or as our First Lady.

I Miss Mitt.
Anonymous | 10:39 a.m. Oct. 5, 2008
ONUS? What the heck is that?
Anonymous | 12:28 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I find it interesting that Obama's "ties" to an activist from 40 years ago is troubling, but Sarah Palin's association (giving a convention speech LAST YEAR) for a successionist party determined to severe Alaska from the US, whose founder claimed to hate America, is not.

Founder Joe Vogler said, " The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government...and I won't be buried under their damn flag...

I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Not only did she give their keynote address last year, but her own HUSBAND belonged to the party until she ran for Governor.

So, do these kinds of associations matter, or not?
Re. Posts | 1:00 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I agree with a previous commentor, the D-News is very selective as to what comments are posted. If you say anything negative about Utah or the republican party it is very questionable if it is going to be posted. I was born and raised in this state, but that doesn't mean I agree with the way people here vote and think. As a side note you do not want to ever say anything negative about the majority of the state.
Anonymous | 1:50 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
We know a lot about 3/4 of the candidates, not Mr. Obama. I fear there is much to know that no one will publish or speak on publicly. These are dangerous times.
Brother Chuck Schroeder | 7:00 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
It's not that Obama hasn't been specific enough in his governing plans. To the contrary, he has been very specific about his tax policy, health-care and energy proposals. It's that voters are paying attention and appear not to like what Candidate Obama is saying. Obama has proposed a massive tax increase on investors, business owners, and the "wealthy." At a time when the American people rate the economy as the central issue of the campaign, a tax hike doesn't make a lot of political sense. Voters know that a tax hike won't help the economy. Obama's tax plans would directly or indirectly harm U.S. investors by raising the capital gains and dividend taxes. More than half of U.S. households are equity owners, so Mr. Obama's proposal risks alienating half the population. Obama claims to offer a tax cut to moderate-income families, but a significant portion of Mr. Obama's tax plan is a welfare giveaway costing more than $648 billion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center. How so? He would authorize a hodgepodge of refundable tax credits covering everything from education, mortgage payments, child care and other items for people who do not pay income taxes now.
Grimble | 9:20 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
It's hilarious to see all these people with their fingers in their ears and blindfolds on their eyes complaining that they haven't heard anything about Obama's accomplishments or his plans. All you have to do is go on the congressional website to see the bills he has authored -- such as the Lugar-Obama anti-terrorism bill, the Coburn-Obama anti-corruption bill, and the whole package of ethics bills that he rallied bi-partisan support for. If you don't know about that, it's because you haven't bothered to look.

As for tax increases, Brother Chuck Schroeder: you're misprepresenting Obama's tax plan. NO taxes (including capital gains and dividend) will be raised on Americans making less that $250,000 a year. None. End of story. And for the tiny minority of Americans that do see a tax increase, their taxes will only be raised to the level they were at under REAGAN. Are you saying REAGAN was a tax-and-spend democrat socialist?

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