Reader comments: U.S. surveillance will make FBI what it once feared

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JMT | 6:53 a.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I love BYU football, Utes are mostly Ok. Jazz have been fun to watch as well.

This story is the story of the week, month and likely the failed administration run by George Bush, and highly unlikely we will get 3 comments. The others will total hundreds.

Sadly, we fiddly while Rome burns.
Kay G Bee | 7:56 a.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I don't think this is any longer the country my father fought to preserve.

I agree with JMT; most are more concerned about who won the game than where the country is headed.
Dave | 9:10 a.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Reality! If you want the Gov to prevent terrorists it will cost a little of our percieved freedom. If you are content with the Gov trying to catch them after they blow us up then bussiness as usual.
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Too Little Too Late | 9:43 a.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I agree, but this article should have been published after the Patriot Act was proposed with a follow up article every week until it was defeated. The simple fact of the matter is that there is NO WAR ON TERROR. Only a side show to keep your focus off the real war on the Constitution and sovereignty of the United States. And whether much of the leadership of this country are willing accomplices or useful idiots the results are the same.

The media continue to repeat it, blind Americans who have never looked at the facts objectively continue to believe it and refuse to see the enemy from within. Google Sibel Edmond, the FBI whistle blower who has been court order gagged.

9-11 was the catalyst and you have to be in the highest order of denial not to see the pattern that has followed. Much of that which has been implemented has been waiting in the wings or implemented by executive order. And yet the borders remain wide open.

Since all FBI or other intelligence agencies swear an oath to the Constitution, the true protectors have a Constitutional duty to resist any unconstitutional directive no matter where it comes.
Anonymous | 12:05 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Amazing how the neocons (aka fascists) demand "Big Brother" in their dumb little lives.

LOL!
Anonymous | 12:31 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
And (like in fascist Germany when the economy was falling apart) here comes Big Brother.
Mike R | 1:01 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Dear Anonymous,

If you bothered to see what Fascists believe and practice you would find that Progressive/Liberals such as yourself would be far closer to the definition of Fascist than would "Neo-Con" conservatives. By the way, what is the definition of "Neo-Con"? Is there one? It is a world drummed up by the news media/Progressive/Liberals that sounds bad but means nothing.

A real conservative would look upon these new rules as an unjustified and unwarrented intrusion of government. Liberal/Progressives would look at these rules and applaud them. The so called guardians of our rights love this type of thing so they can stifle conservative voices.

By the way, isn't it Obama that is enlisting prosecutors to look into campaign ads and possibly prosecute people for expressing their 1st amemdment rights? That sounds just like what Hitler would do, exactly what a Fascist would do.
Hatuletoh | 2:04 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Hey, does anybody have a little jackboot polish I could borrow? I'm plumb out; used it all up at the recent conventions. Also, my mustache trimmer is on the fritz and I need a replacement. Hard to keep that darn thing a perfect square.
Anonymous | 2:08 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Sorry Mike R.
But a quick perusal of the 14 Signs of Fascism collected a while back show clearly just how close to fascism the current administration has taken this country.

Examples:
Overt Nationalism
Over Militarism
Disdain for the recognition of human rights- wire-tapping, torture.
Government and Corporate intertwined
Identifying enemies or scapegoats as a unifying cause- liberals, muslims
Obsession with national security
Religion and government are intertwined
Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
LOL | 2:27 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
"By the way, isn't it Obama that is enlisting prosecutors to look into campaign ads and possibly prosecute people for expressing their 1st amemdment rights? That sounds just like what Hitler would do, exactly what a Fascist would do."

Mike, you fail to understand American justice. If the case has no merit, it will be tossed in the pretrial. This is why we have courts.

Mike, the ideology of the neoconservative movement was first voiced by Leo Strauss. If you knew a thing about neoconservationism, you would have read about the "noble lie.
Anonymous | 2:35 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Re Dave@9:10

Given that my chances of dying in a accident on I-15 are WAY higher than any sort of terrorist getting to me, I'd rather the government quite wasting my money (taxes) and my time (all the ridiculous security theater at the airport) chasing some bogeyman.

All 9/11 actually accomplished was to obsolete Airplane Hijacking as a viable terrorist tool - since passengers were NOT going to sit and wait the situation out once the 9/11 terrorists proved that sitting quietly and cooperating no longer provided the best chance of surviving an airplane hijacking.
Intellectually Honest? | 2:50 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
*Anonymous your comments about the signs of "fascism" are as easily applicable to any group, liberals included. I am not taking sides or saying "liberals are fascists" but I think you are not being intellectually honest if you think it applies one whit more to conservatives than anybody else. The problem is, I fear you are.

I keep reminding myself these message boards are full of trolls with time on their hands. Please let it be so!
NorthboundZax | 4:25 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Somehow, I suspect that Dave and most other proponents of domestic spying would still manage to argue that actions such as spying on their own people demonstrate how reprehensible the Soviet Union was.

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