One of the many reasons I did not vote for Mitt Romney is that I won't vote
for someone whose church does not have an open door policy at all times. If I
can't just walk into a Mormon Temple at any time to worship, or see if I
want to join and worship, then I don't want a President of the United
States to support this sort of exclusionary practice. Sorry, that's my
opinion. When I found out that Ann Romney's parents WERE NOT ALLOWED to
attend her daughter's Mormon wedding, I was disgusted. When my
girlfriend's Mormon friend of many years told her that she could not attend
her daughter's wedding but had to wait outside, I was outraged to hear
about it. She made the trip out of respect for her friend. I would NEVER have
demeaned myself in such a manner. if you can't open your doors to anyone AT
ANY TIME, then your church is not worth considering.
To atty555: You are in fact wrong about the Mormon beliefs about Mary, the
mother of Christ. The Book of Mormon teaches that she was a virgin, and that
she gave birth to Jesus through a miraculous process. That is what you will
find in Mormon scriptures, including the Kinig James Version of the Bible, and
in the Spanish language translations used by the Mormons who speak Spanish,
including a million in Mexico. Millions of people in Latin America are Mormons,
and a lot of the Mormons in the US are Hispanic.
re- att555...You are totally incorect about the Catholic theology regarding
wheather God the Farther had sex with mary....It is Mormon theology that was
taught by a promnant ''Mormon'' church leader...the Catholic
Theology is that 'By the power of the holy spirit she concieved...They
think that she was born immaculate for this process to happen...that is why she
is so revered as a holy saint who interceeds our prayers and presents them to
heaven Father on our behalf ,allways pleading mercy for our transgressions . She
is not so much worshiped but holds a position of highest respect :
wtz You could at least attempt to attempt to hide your predudice against
hispanics. And where do people get the idea that hispanics have different
family values than white folks. If that is true why are they embracing the LDS
church in such large numbers. Why can't we set aside our stereotypes and
treat each other with dignity and respect. As an active LDS I am saddened to
see many of my fellow members post such terrible comments on here. I suspect
you are a tiny minority in a very diverse world wide religion. Let's hope
you soon go the way of the dinsosaur. In fact maybe that would be a good
symbol for tea party conservatives.
The questions that arises is ...''Is the Church still regarded as
Racist ?''...Can the church accept honest Crittism without Censorship
of any kind from black and hispanic readers ?...Do we still value freedom of
speech and open expression ?...Why did the church recieve a very small fraction
of the vote from black and hispanic voters ?...Will a humble apology from the
church go towards mending this rift between the different races that did not
vote for Mitt Rommey ?....Member are asked to ponder these questions in light of
the poor results from black and hispanic voters.
It was great to see nations of Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba back our President.
They know his process and what is happening in our country. They even see
someone taking down our CIA director and it wasn't James Bond but we
don't know the motive, yet. Maybe a sequel for James Bond in two or three
years with e-mail hacking and cyberspace cryptology.
Hank Pym,Good point.Did you see the foreign leaders who
re: worf 8:23 p.m. Nov. 12, 2012"I've seen the kinds of
leaders Latinos put in their home countries."And alot of have
been propped up/supported by the US of A. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
I've seen the kinds of leaders Latinos put in their home countries.
Paloma...are you serious? You didn't think Obama has every intention of
raising taxes? Obmacare- will not fly without raising taxes. (It's going to
fly like a lead balloon anyway.) I want to know why half the country thinks they
don't have to pay any taxes at all? They are users of the infrastructure,
too. EVERYONE should pay their fair share. Even if it's a small percentage
of what they make, there should be no exclusions for anyone on paying taxes
except for the mentally disabled and elderly who have been paying all their
lives. Maybe vets should be given a break, too, but many of them had their
school paid for on the GI bill so the taxpayers have paid them back for their
service. Some who are physically unable to work maybe should get a break, too.
But I think the poor need to pay something. The very wealthy are already paying
way more than their share. Let them keep investing and buying to keep the
@ Moderate: Do you have the real statistics for that? "The government
spends 10 times as much money on seniors as it does on people 19 and under?
what abut the people 19 and over? At what stage do you get to be a senior where
you need to have the government spend 10 times as much money on you? Please
explane. If you are right, euthanasia may be a viable opton for senior, right
When the Republican Party wakes up to the fact that there are people of
different colored skin other than white, that here are many other religions
besides Christians that are citizen of the USA and become inclusive they might
have a win. That means including in the white ole boys club Jews, Muslims,
Buddists, Hindu and the list goes on and on, then and only then will Republicans
have a level playing field. People of all races, religions and color are
becoming better educated and doing their own research and look for a party that
will include them, they are not looking for a hand out but for respect.
@Glen in the Bronx:"Can someone point out to me, what exactly,
does the GOP have going for it that would make it attractive for a
Latino?"Nothing. That's why they lost."And
don't include Marco Rubio... he's of Cuban ancestry..."He speaks Spanish. That's enough."Further it seemed they
lumped those here illegally with those who were born here."They
lump themselves. It's called ethnicity. It's human nature to flock
together/support one's own kind."The GOP treats
Hispanics... with apparent disdain..."They treat illegal
immigrants with disdain. Nothing about ethnicity. Should illegals be praised?
It'd by like praising bank robbers.@MapleDon:"Now can we come to some understanding as to why the left wants an open
border and amnesty?"Simply stated, votes. Plus our leader
himself is a foreigner. He tells it like this in is book: 'I was born in
Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.'@very concerned:"If we were to welcome more Latino's into the U.S. legally,
there would be more productive immigrants coming and fewer criminals."Give them all citizenship as they cross the border and there'd be
@Moderate, I think what you meant to say is that the over 65 population has
earned the money from the government because they paid into it for all of those
years. The under 19 group has not.
What is beyond my comprehension is why the Jews voted for the Democratic Party
this time around. Obama wanted to give most of Israel to the Palestinians a
while back and he more favors Israel’s enemies then Israel. I don’t
believe that if Israel is attacked by another middle-Eastern country, Obama will
defend Israel if they need it. I also don't understand why the
Latinos want America to cater to them and expect the rest of the nation to
accept Latino ways and lifestyles. America used to be a melting pot of many
nations but everyone became American when they lived in America. Latinos want
Americans to accept them as a separate entity as Latinos, not as Americans.
They want everyone to speak Spanish, thus taking away the individual identity of
America. Yet they complain about how Americans won't accept them. Why
can't they accept America and become Americans instead of Latinos? Why
should Americans accept their lifestyles instead of Latinos accepting the
American way of life?Nearly every American came from a different
nationality, yet they were assimilated into being Americans. Why do Latinos
require special treatment?
@GZE:"Only American citizens can vote."That's true. But the Obama administration would like that changed. They
want not just citizens but all residents (i.e., illegals) to have a vote.
That's why they're pushing so hard against voter ID laws."Less than 30 percent of Latinos in this country are here illegally; the
vast majority are US Citizens..."Those born here would like to
see their voting block increase. That's why they voted for Obama's
amnesty action.@atl134:"Because Kerry and Gore also
got huge percentages of the African American vote."Were
Kerry/Gore running against an African American? No. Bush is not African
American."It's mostly a party thing than a race
thing."I can only suggest that 'Blood runs thicker than...
party.'@RRB:Excellent post RRB. You hit the nail
on the head... except for one point... 'Only enforcement keeps it
manageable.'It's way too late for enforcement. Hispanics
thh votes to determine elections. You can't say anything untoward re our
Hispanic populace or they will cast their vote for the other guy. Romney found
that out when he said 'Hispanics should self-deport.' Serious
The message coming from the REPUBLICAN PRIMARY to Hispanic families and their
extended families was...self-deport (romney talking point).While you're self-deporting WE (Who is we? Which ethnic group gave the
most votes to romney?) will decide whether to electrify the border fence or
build a border wall 100 feet high.3 great welcoming
possibilities!romney saw the bind he was in.romney tried
to move to the middle.Too late.The die was cast.
@Paloma10:"As a Latino, LDS woman, I voted for Obama."Not voting for Romney was a mistake."I am not in danger
of self deporting to Cleveland, where I was born."If you were
born in Cleveland, you are American. You should think/act American. Would you
like your country to be overrun with foreigners? People generally prefer their
own kind."I would not vote for Romney because he would raise
taxes."Romney would not raise taxes. It's the other guy
(Obama) that would/will. You shouldn't be voting if you don't
understand the issues."The conception that Latinos are looking
for a handout and freebies..."Almost everyone is looking for
handouts and freebies. What some people want is for people of their own
ethnicity to increase in this country. And how does that happen? Immigration,
illegal and otherwise."The reasoning in the article is that
there aren't enough 'white' people...."Certain
minorities (as reported by the DNews) will soon be the majority here, at which
time 'white' people will be shut out. Already happening."Try working with people, not dominating them."You can
help by telling illegals to stay home.
I was raised Catholic in New Mexico. My sisters have all married Hispanic men
and have Hispanic last names as do their children. I think they voted Democrat
because some of my family works for the church. Doing so lets them see first
hand the gap between what good the church can do for the local poor and how
important it is for the government to be a partner in the needs of the poor.
They have voted Republican for just one issue in the past, abortion. That
seems to take a back seat to poverty relief when we see more and more poor
children on the streets for any reason. If Church's could handle the needs
of the poor they would gladly do so, but they can't.
Look at the platform of each party. Compare and contrast the platform with the
citizens of our nations. Get rid of the stereotypes of people who are different
than yourself and look at what people actually do and how they conduct their
lives. Recognize that "We the People.." really applies to all people and
not just a select few with money, status, or class privilege. Once you do this
in an honest way not colored with ideology, it's much easier to see why the
Republicans missed the boat on this election. They believed their own surveys
where methodology was used to boast their cause not show what was really
happening. If they are advocating for more of the same or a sharper turn to the
right, I'd say go for it, someone else will take their place.
@Claudio:"So you mean Latinos don't vote FOR
amnesty...?"Of course they vote for amnesty. Why shouldn't
they? The next step after amnesty is citizenship which Democrat B. Hussein
Obama will accomplish in his next four-year term...With Democrats in
control of our government illegal aliens will soon be able to not only become
citizens but they will be able to bring their families and friends here for the
same favorable treatment, plus alotta handouts.@NeilT:"Republicans lost the Hispanic vote over immigration policies."You mean the Democrats won the Hispanic vote over immigration policies.
Obama played it very smart by giving the two year amnesty just before the
elections with tacit approval for extensions. Very clever politicking. "As long as the right wing tea-partiers continue to stereotype
Hispanics as lazy freeloaders and criminals they will continue to lose Hispanic
support."They're not lazy... but they are criminals
(illegal)."Is is just plain wrong to deny children an education
due to unlawful actions of their parents."It's just plain wrong to
provide free education to non-citizens."We don't have the
funding to educate our own people let alone foreigners.
Even if Heather McDonald's view is accurate, and most Latinos are
freeloading Obama supporters looking for a handout (I don't buy it for a
second and find it offensive), there are many many hard-working decent Latinos
who have been here a long time and have conservative values. They have roots
here, American kids, American spouses. We should be willing to entertain some
sort of sane immigration reform that provides a path to legal status for those
individuals. If the GOP continues to be the Inspector Javert party
we will continue to lose. We have never had a president who was hard line on
immigration. It should be no surprise that Romney's harsh rhetoric in the
primaries came back to haunt him as it did Meg Whitman. I say this as someone
who is devastated Romney lost. Purists on this thread should read
Ann Coulter's latest piece where she slams abortion purists. Her arguments
can be applied perfectly to immigration purists.
Romney came across as arrogant, out of touch, racist, sexist, classist and angry
to me. I did not vote for him as an active, endowed, temple married, LDS woman
of partly African American heritage with doctoral degrees because, quite
frankly, his beliefs and proposed policies sounded more warmongering and
anachronistic than modern. His political speeches were like soundbites from one
of those crazy older men at church, usually from Utah or Idaho, who you can tell
still believes that Heavenly Father cursed people with a skin of blackness and
that's how Africans came along and that women shouldn't make any
decisions because husbands are the patriarch. Obama came across as intelligent,
compassionate, hardworking, and sensible. Moreover, he seemed to be interested
in serving the people of the US, not inflicting his agenda and personal
religious values on a pluralistic society. Sorry, the GOP has been hijacked by
demagogues, who appeals to racist whites with poor education, limited personal
experiences and who are bereft of common compassion--in other words tea
partiers. Sadly, GOP leaders think this is their base and that they are more
important than the majority of Americans. I would have gladly voted for
I'm a conservative, but as I have said before, I believe a more welcoming
immigration policy would be good. If we were to welcome more Latino's into
the U.S. legally, there would be more productive immigrants coming and fewer
criminals. We welcomed the Scots, the Irish, the Germans, the Poles, etc.,
etc., etc. They came, they worked, and they made America a better place. I
believe if we offered that opportunity to responsible Latinos wanting to become
citizens, the country would be better for it. Let's not worry so much
about whom they would vote for. That would take care of itself. I know I may
sound Polyanna-ish to some, but I believe legal, responsible Latino immigrants
could contribute to this country. By the way, did you hear that
sound like thunder clapping last Tuesday? It was the sound of the
country's foundations cracking as President Obama was re-elected. His
politics on gay marriage, unsustainable spending, contribution to the deficit,
increasing presidential power, and actions in favor of gradual declines of
religious freedoms - to name a few - are taking their toll on the American
psyche, dreams, prosperity, and future.
Now can we come to some understanding as to why the left wants an open border
and amnesty? It's been clear to many of us for a long time as to what was
going on--and no, this has absolutely nothing to do with compassion. Rather, it
has everything to do with power. And this will quickly become one-party control
over national politics for a very long time. The data verifies this.
Can someone point out to me, what exactly, does the GOP have going for it that
would make it attractive for a Latino? (And don't include Marco Rubio in
the reply; he's of Cuban ancestry, and to Republicans, Cubans are
God's special snowflakes). During the primary debates the candidates were
all falling over themselves about how difficult he/she would make it on
Hispanics who were here illegally and espousing such nonsense as "self
deportation." Further it seemed they lumped those here illegally with those
who were born here. The GOP treats Hispanics (and so many others) with apparent
disdain, why should anyone be surprised they repaid the compliment in the voting
Latinos are predominately Catholics, and the Catholic Church's perception
of the Virgin Mary is diametrically opposed to the Mormon position, which
(correct me if I am wrong) states that God had physical sex with Mary in order
to conceive Jesus Christ. That and Romney's position on immigration made it
hard for Latinos to vote for him.
We are not living in a new world. Hoover and Roosevelt conducted the Mexican
repatriation. Over half a million illegal aliens removed. In 1950, Eisenhower
did the same thing. In 1986, we had amnesty and reform, the laws were never
enforced, In 1996 Clinton closed the cases still active and granted amnesty, he
created NAFTA and told us it would end illegal immigration. It's been the
same problem for well over 80 years. The deporting worked, and kept numbers
down, the amnesty just caused more problems. It created a monster with 12-20
million people. If it's not solved by deportation to stop further problems,
it's going to get bigger and bigger. From half a million in the 30's,
to one million in the 50's. Then 3 million in the 80's, now 12-20
million. Only enforcement keeps it manageable. It's the same
The federal government spends seven times as much money on people over 65 as it
does on people under 19. The Republican base are the people who get the most
from the federal government.
@ Claudio and Paloma10 The numbers cited in this story run contrary
to your conclusions. There are implications inherent in the numbers. We live in
an isolated microcosm here in Utah, but nation wide the fact remains that
Latinos and Blacks continually vote for those who have done nothing for them. I
would cite CA, and Detroit as perfect examples of what I am talking about. There
is nothing racist in the analysis when you look at 40 years of patterned
behavior. Fortunately I have lived in enough other states over the years that
the numbers in the article make perfect sense despite the indignation and name
@toosmartforyou"Please explain how your point of view is true when 91%
of African Americans voted for Obama. I am not buying into your statement of
others think they are dumb, either, just that they voted for their own race. I
expected they would, didn't you?"Because Kerry and Gore
also got huge percentages of the African American vote. Obama did several points
better than them, but also did several points better nationally (since unlike
them he won). It's mostly a party thing than a race thing. Much like Allen
West (a black Republican) or Harry Reid (an LDS Democrat) are not getting the
majority of the black and LDS vote respectively when they run.
@ ClaudioPlease explain how your point of view is true when 91% of
African Americans voted for Obama. I am not buying into your statement of others
think they are dumb, either, just that they voted for their own race. I
expected they would, didn't you?
New strategy for the tea party should be to move into the Democratic party and
control it's agenda. The way it is now, the Socialist party is
in control of the Democratic party and the poor and so-called minority are being
manipulated by Socialists.This actually makes more sense for the
poor and the minorities to be voting for constitutional principles especially
the 10th amendment instead of being used by the Socialists to set up a
dictatorship with government owning and controlling everything and taking away
their individual rights and private property. That's not why immigrants
come to America.
We live in a multi-ethnic world and always have. We are not polarized due to
that fact but both parties have listened to pollsters or done campaigning using
race, ethnicity, religion and anything they can to make efforts to gain their
vote. That is normal in a world of campaigning. The statisticians game the
market with the GPS point specific voting, knowing what a specific household is
voting. That is available, almost like government information. At
least one party used that information for their high density cities in the
battleground states as they have shown that information on the media. We always talk about government intrusion but when our secret ballot or
private type ballot becomes available prior to the election through information
available to someone, that appears to be an invasion of privacy. We have
accepted it through exit polls for decades but now that they can pinpoint their
target areas, those few highly dense populations will make a difference as money
speaks, especially with a Supreme Court that helped make it more available
through money that speaks. That is not what the Founding Fathers envisioned
even though we have small and large state protection. Cities are states.
Andrew:Reducing the votes of Black citizens to being racially
motivated is cheap and factually proven to be just wrong. Despite your
insinuation, voters of color aren't dumber than voters of white skin.
Latinos who vote are Americans. Only American citizens can vote. Members of
the Republican Party keep showing that they think Latino = illegal immigrant.
Less than 30 percent of Latinos in this country are here illegally; the vast
majority are US Citizens; the vast majority of those were born here. It's
time for conservatives to come to grip with that fact that one can be both
American and have a Latino heritage.
Take the Tea Party component out of the Republican Party (and any other very
right wing elements) - let the party go back to its roots and perhaps the next
Romney will have a chance. (If you continue to repeat what you are doing - do
not expect the results to change!)(Or - foolishness is continuing to do the same
thing time after time, and expecting different results).
As a Latino, LDS woman, I voted for Obama. I am not in danger of self deporting
to Cleveland, where I was born. (Remember, some of you don't realize that
Hawaii is a state) I would not vote for Romney because he would raise taxes.
The conception that Latinos are looking for a handout and freebies is so
insulting and stereotypical of a charge leveled by Republicans, and that
attitude is the problem of that party. The reasoning in the article is that
there aren't enough "white" people, instead of waking up and seeing
that world has changed, embrace or you'll lose yet more seats in any
legislation. Try working with people, not dominating them.
NeilTImmigration doesn't make a difference to them. They failed
Reagan. What makes you think they are being denied an education?
They get a k-12 like everyone else. And if they have the money, they can go to
college. They are taking rights away from Americans, but no one
cares about us.
Rubio and a female vp.
“Romney heavily dependent on a strong white turnout that did not
materialize,”Most of my evangelical family was strong Romney
supporters because he won their support. He is considered a sensible leader on
moral issues. Some would not vote for the incumbent but remained convinced that
Romney was more interested in enlarging his circle of millionaire friends than
being concerned about them. These are blue collar workers who have strong
feelings of “too many people on the draw and too few paying in”. So
get that straight. We need a Ben Franklin and Mitt Romney is the best
choice. Why not compromise on the tax issue? There seems to be agreement on
everything except the tax rate for those making more than $250,000 a year. So
make permanent the current rates on those making less and extend for 2 years for
those above. Let the American people decide in 2014 which side is telling the
truth. If jobs are being created in substantial numbers then extend the rate. If
not, then roll it back to the Clinton years.
Why would the Republicans give the Democrats 12-20 million new voters? The
Latino vote showed the Republican party why they need to fight amnesty and
enforce the laws.
Republicans lost the hispanic vote over immigration policies. As long as the
right wing tea partiers coninue to stereotype hispanics as lazy freeloaders and
criminals they will continue to lose hispanic support. Is is just plain wrong
to deny children an education due to unlawful actions of their parents. The
time has come to enact comprehensive immigration reform and recognze the many
positive contributions immigrants make to society.
This makes total sense. Latino voters have different family values. The numbers
used from CA illustrate the ideological deficiency. CA is a super-majority
Democrat and 1 in 10 Latinos are poor. Latino's as a group expect
government to give, participate, equalize things in their lives so they vote
Democrat. Latinos leave Mexico etc...for a better opportunity yet cling to the
ideology that is crippling the U.S. and Mexico as indicated by the numbers
cited. The numbers also indicate that Blacks voted racially in 2008 and 2012
combined with the same ideology as Latinos despite the conditions of the
Democrat controlled inner cities. White Evangelicals went to the polls holding
their nose, but they went. All of this is nothing new. Society is polarized.
Even had the "missing" voters participated it would not have mattered.
The deciding factor appears to be race, political stereotypes, and single issue
ideology. The question is was there a fundamental shift or are we exactly the
same as we were four years ago. Given the makeup of Congress I would say nothing
Re: RichardBSo you mean Latinos don't vote FOR amnesty,
hand-outs, etc? But that was what I was told during my daily listening hour of
Conservatives R Us!
If your point is that the Hispanic majority vote Democratic, then you are
correct. When Reagan gave them amnesty they still voted for a Democrat.