America disgusts me. Health care for our sick people does NOT equate to
1) Governor Herbert's request will not be approved because it does not
conform to the law that was democratically passed. Once we Americans get past
the name-calling, the sweeping and loaded words, and the knee-jerk repetition of
"the" party line we might just discover that the law is in
everyone's interest.2) Governor Herbert is lauded by some for
such abstract concepts as preserving "freedom," avoiding "socialist
health care," and retaining maximum "flexibility." Look closer at
our "Avenue H" exchange system. It is ONLY for businesses. Individuals
are left out. So, for instance, the age group 55-64 (only half of which is
employed full time in the US) is unable to benefit from Utah's self-styled
"exchange." The law was created so that all Americans would be able to
benefit from A) a convenient pooling of the latest market information, B) what
should be highly welcome free-market competion engendred by the exchanges, C) a
new range of choices created by the exchanges.Please Governor
Herbert, for the sake of all of us Utahns, businesses AND individuals alike, go
with the law instead of playing to "the" (passionate but uninformed)
To "kargirl" and under a universal care system, only the high ranking
government workers and officials get care at the best facilities. Just like in
Cuba and the former USSR.Go and look into the Universal care
systems. They typically have poor care, and limit what you can get done through
them.If you want to make care more affordable, and better for
everybody that is simple. Get the government out of the way. They have added
so many regulations and mandates, you could cut the cost of insurance in half if
you went back to 1980 levels.
Medicaid is a mess. The AFA (Obamacare) is also a mess and compounds the two
when increasing the rolls of Medicaid recipients. It is a paperwork nightmare
trying to prove need, especially for the self-employed. Until they fix the
Medicaid problems I can never support adding more to the overworked system.
Mental health under Medicaid is especially difficult and the system the people
are forced to use is overcrowded resulting in mentally ill being untreated.
People give up because of the boondoggle it is. Like Obamacare, other problems
need to be fixed; not just throw more people into the equation.
As long as health care is subject to the free market, the best care will still
go to those with the best health, the most money, and who are the least likely
to need it. And we still will have lower positive outcomes here and higher per
capita health costs than other first-world countries, and many other countries
besides. If you care enough, do some research. It's depressing. You see, it
costs a lot for these doctors to be part of the free market and still help
people on Medicare, or Medicaid. We can start with paperwork...and the fact that
they can't always do what their patients need done, either. The way the
system is set up, often the care provided is penny-wise and pound-foolish. We
fought that here with the effort to cut inhome services, a program that saves
money over nursing home placement. That, not Medicaid and other programs like
that, are why we have people not receiving care. It's death panels, yes,
and poverty is the overseer, not the President or any governor. Is that fair to
you? If you think so, at least own up to it.
Wow. Gov. Herbert - it must be wonderful having awesome insurance that you pay a
small deductable if any along with no co-pay when you visit your doctor. Bet
your doctor even orders tests - no problem you go and get them - no red tape or
hoops to jump through. Well many of us on the other hand either go without the
necessary testing we need. Are you proud of yourself for mammograms to no longer
be paid by medicaid? What about when a person's doctor wants them to have a
stress test because of high blood preasure? I've been trying to get one for
four years - medicaid refuses to cover it. But I'm quite sure that if you
went to the doctor today and he told you you needed special testing you
wouldn't blink and eye and go to it. Governor it's time that you and
the rest of those who hold state and federal jobs lived within the budget of an
average person and have the same state/federal insurance that you expect the
citizens to have namely medicaid/medicare. I'm sure you will enjoy the same
"special" treatment medicaid patients get.
You gotta love this pathetic grandstanding by his Honor the Gubna.
Governor Herber, we are counting on you to be bolder and more courageous than
ever. Please stand up to the would-be king Obama. Please just say no for all who
have voted for you and have placed trust in you. Utah has always had an
independent spirit and we should not bow to this immoral and unconstitutional
@ EDMYou say; " I'm as disappointed as you are that the
current plan doesn't adequately address spiraling costs. My point is that
back in 2008 our country was so ripe for reform - EVERYONE wanted it - and it is
Republican obstructionism that has left us so far off the mark. Why
couldn't we have a government option to compete with private insurance to
keep costs down? How did competition suddenly become a bad idea?"Private insurance companies have to make a profit and their average profit is
only 3.3% That is tiny. Government can ignore profits and drive private
insurance companies out of business.Private businesses find a way to
reduce costs and become more efficient. Government never will. They have no
incentive to do so.If government denies coverage you are stuck. You
can sue a private provider.The reason medical treatment is so
expensive is because of government intrusion. As Reagan said; "Government is
the problem, not the solution."And, NO, not everyone was for
reform.The Democrats first made the best health care system in the
world "not work" so they could "fix it" by enslaving us all.
We ought to get our house in order.
To "dalefarr" too bad it is the government that is doing its best to
reduce the excess population.The cuts to Medicare will decrease the
number of doctors willing to work with the elderly. That will cause the elderly
problems since they will not be able to get care unless they have money set
aside for supplemental insurance.Next, you have the recent changes
to organ transplant lists that the government maintains. They have shifted the
rules so that working aged people rank high on the list, while the elderly and
young do not.Plus, what happens in 3 years? The article mentioned
that additional funding for Medicaid would only last 3 years. What then?
Won't the poor and elderly be thrown out again once the Federal money dries
Oh, and Governor Herbert, if you intend in ANY way to restrict my medicare
benefits you will face an insurrection.
Utah does not want to help the medically indigent. Period.
Yes we all wanted reforms to health insurance. Everyone that has made a comment
in support of Obamacare seems to have a short memory. As I recall, none of the
Republican suggestions were even taken into account when this bill was being
passed. The Democrats just ramrodded this through as they had the majority in
both the Senate and the House. As a result of this legislation and the
ramifications that it had the House won back a Republican majority in the next
elections. People are tired of political chicanery, this bill is not logical.
Do you know who they have being the watch dog on this? You are correct if you
guessed the IRS. They are going to hire an additional 16,000 agents to make
sure that it is followed (among other things if you get my drift). You think
you have problems now with the IRS and federal government breathing down your
neck wait a few years!
The Gov should stay out of Washington, and start fixing our pathetic education
system here.He said it was his "top priority".But then, he
IS a politician, and that sounded good when he was grovelling for votes....
The main thing wrong with the State plan is it doesn't work. Still leaves
300,000 uninsured Utahns."They had better die and decrease the surplus
population". Ebenezer Scrooge.
Instead of trying to grab federal dollars we should be refusing them, and the
strings attached to them, and joining the movement to nullify Obamacare.Obamacare has nothing to do with politicians wanting people to have good
health coverage. It has everything to do with getting votes and obtaining more
power. These people cannot be trusted. I don't just mean those with a D in
front of their names, I mean none of them can be trusted, D or R. All
politicians are guilty until proven innocent, and we can't gauge their
innocence until they're out of office and we can track how much harm
Why should BO grant a reguest from a red governor from a red state? It will
never happen.Governor, just say no to BO's tyranny.If our tax dollars go to states that cave and we get none, we should sue under
the 14th amendment. The SCOTUS has already ruled states don't have to
participate. Of course, we know the constitution means nothing to the dems if
it stands in their way.
@The RockI'm as disappointed as you are that the current plan
doesn't adequately address spiraling costs. My point is that back in 2008
our country was so ripe for reform - EVERYONE wanted it - and it is Republican
obstructionism that has left us so far off the mark. Why couldn't we have a
government option to compete with private insurance to keep costs down? How did
competition suddenly become a bad idea?
Dear Gov. Herbert, I hope that you do not trade away the freedom and
independence of the good citizens of Utah for federal money, regardless of the
claimed source of that federal money. In the long run, volutarily surrendering
your legal rights never turns out to be a good decision. History has already
vindicated the well-reasoned dissenting opinions of wise justices that
forewarned of the dire consequences that have now come to pass in America. Had
the opinions of those dissenting justices been heeded, our nation would never
have become immersed in federal deficit spending aimed at lifting people
socially based on the limited federal right to regulate interstate commerce.
The entire federal healthcare system is based on an absurd legal fiction. Please
remember, the states created the federal government---not vice versa. It is
time to say enough and you have a sterling opportunity.
This is the kicker, my friends...read closely:"'This
decision reminds us that we shouldn't let our hard-earned federal tax
dollars go to other states that choose to expand," he said. "The feds
are offering states a fantastic financial deal. It would be fiscally
irresponsible not to take it.'"He said Medicaid expansion,
which has already met a lot of controversy in the state, 'should be a top
priority' in the 2013 legislative session."And thus we are
led down the path to tyranny.
Republicans against Obama care? Yawn.
@ EDMObama Care only has three things in common with the
Massachusetts model:1. It deals with health care.2. It has
insurance exchanges.3. It has an individual mandate.The
Massachusetts model does not create 1968 new government bureaucracies.It
does not create a situation that will ultimately drive every private insurance
carrier into bankruptcy.It was designed to reduce costs (but fail in that
respect). The Obama plan drives costs through the roof.It does not include
death panels who decide who gets to live and who dies. Obama care does not even
allow you to spend your own money for treatment they deny.Obama Care
delegates so much authority to the executive branch that along with the new
financial regs and all the other programs that delegate authority to the
executive branch that congress is now irrelevant. The separation of powers no
longer exists. The house has no power over the purse strings. We have not had a
budget in three years. The house is powerless to drive the agenda and it was
intended to be the most powerful part of the federal government.
Governor, don't waste your breath. If Obama was even slightly interested in
cutting costs and serving the people we would not have created a monstrosity
that creates 1968 new bureaucracies, will drive costs through the roof and
violates the constitution in multiple ways. Obama's purpose is to force
every American to become dependent upon the US government. He wants your life to
depend upon the government. Once this happens over 80% of the population will
become reliable Democrat voters.Why would anyone deliberately
destroy the most powerful economy in the world? The most insidious thing about
socialism is not the fact that it destroys economies but the fact that the
perpetrator ends up looking compassionate. First he destroys your job, then he
give you welfare and we all go; "Man, am I happy we have that welfare check
coming in. If it were not for Obama, we would be toast. Sure glad those mean
Republicans are not in power, we would be out on the street begging." NO.
You would still have your job if those mean Republicans were in power.Bail out on the exchanges. The only winning move is not to play.
To the first three comments, when Obama was first elected in 2008, not one
single American said that our health care system was just fine as is. Every
American wanted a better system. Remember? Obama took on the challenge.
Republicans obstructed all the way. Ironically, what we got was based on a
Republican Massachusetts model, and Utah was already way ahead of the game on
insurance exchange. What's the problem, if not for the "D" stamped
on the federal proposal?
My family has had experiences with health insurance in Utah.ACA, if
allowed to operate as the Republicans who first proposed it long ago, will be a
Godsend for all of us.Why must partisan politics always trump common
sense in Utah?
Gov. Herbert is a good man, and sincerely wants to provide better health care
for everyone with flexibility and regard for costs and effectiveness.His plea will be rejected by Obama, who seeks to destroy private health care
delivery, and the insurance concept that supports it, so that he can replace it
all with a single government run health care rationing system.Nothing in Obamacare schemes does a thing to increase the supply of doctors,
nurses, hospitals, clinics, CNAs, labs or medical device providers to increase
the availability and reduce costs of medical care. Instead it taxes the
providers, encourages people to leave the field, and hospitals to close, hurting
every American.Obama will reject Gov. Herbert's request, and
probably take his time doing it. At that point, Utah MUST refuse to set up an
I fear the Governor's plea will fall on deaf ears. I sincerely hope he has
the fortitude to opt for "not at all." My wife is battling terminal
brain cancer, and has received the best care with as little burden on us as we
could ask for. The system wasn't as broken as Pr. Obama made out. Stand
firm your Honor.
Gov. Herbert if the federal government doesn't cave to your request you
should tell them you are not going to participate in the state mandated program.
To date 23 state have stated they will participate, 20 states have said they
won't and 7 including Utah are undecided. The only way that we have left
to defeat Obamacare is for the states to say they will not participate in the
federally mandated exchange. You need to take a stand on this and not cave in!