"This follows Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany telling ESPN in April that his
conference will no longer play teams from other divisions, like the Football
Championship Subdivision." -- Brandon JuddHopefully, Larry Scott
and/or Dr. Chris Hill get on board with this thinking as well. I'd bet
that if one would have polled 1,000 Ute fans which game this season they would
be least excited about watching, you'd get 1,000 fans voting for Weber St.
Apart from being on the receiving end of a last-second cancellation, there
shouldn't be any reason at all we should be playing FCS teams. If we feel
we'd need a warm up game, we could always pick one from the FBS ranks. We
have teams like Wyo, Colo. St, N. Mex, UNLV, and/or Idaho right here along the
Rocky Mtn. corridor we could choose from instead.GO UTES!!!
Y Grad / Y Dad,"Sorry, guys. The fact that the research, and
accompanying story doesn't tell you what you want to know does not make the
research flawed. Flawed comment."Ok, fair enough. In that case
it's simply a sloppy article meant only to persuade its audience into one
vein of thought. What point is there in referencing a study and drawing
parallels if theres no mention of any actual details or results of the
referenced study.Sloppy and manipulative indeed.
The article on Deseret News is not the research. All it does is briefly mention
the research then pose it's own question that is semi-related and does not
answer it because it can't.
re:FatMan86I am amazed at the comments about the research by Scott
Grimshaw by those who have obviously not read his paper. I don’t recall
anything in the paper that mentions the BYU or Utah basketball or football
programs. It is not “obscure statistics and self serving research”
since his results may very well have a large impact on television coverage of
the final four. It appears that CBS may very well be interested in his findings.
"In a world where there is what is being coined "Division 4"
football, would a Utah or BYU provide a boost in TV ratings if it made a
four-team playoff?"Absolutely;Utah - won two BCS
games and all of those claiming they beat a "weak" Pitt or
"unmotivated" Alabama would want to see if they could indeed compete
with the big boys. I for one think they deserved a shot at the title in
08' but, that's another story.BYU - has a decent sized fan
base but, also quite many who hate them and would watch in hopes of them getting
stomped. Also, the old people who bemoan 84' might tune in for many of the
same reasons they would Utah.No science behind any of what I said
(or behind the premise of this article really)...
Obscure statistics and self serving research are what you focus on when you
rarely have wins against top teams.Another thing you do when you
can't compete is pound your chest about your conference membership.Both are equally lame.Get it done on the field or on the
court. The rest will take care of itself.
re Brother Benjamin Franklin and motorbikeYou two are very quick to
summarily dismiss the research and conclusions of a paper published in a
reputable peer-reviewed journal. The research covers data from
basketball’s Final Four. I see no inference to Division 4 college football
in neither the published paper in the Journal of Quantitative Analysis nor the
BYU new release. They did, however, look at data from the NFL and European
Premier League soccer. Brandon Judd, of DN, is apparently posing the question
of whether or not this applies to Division 4 football. There may or may not be
any relationship but it is an interesting question.
motorbikeCottonwood Heights, UT"Very flawed research
indeed. There's a major difference between a cinderella in basketball
versus football. A cinderella basketball team is usually one that surprises in
the very first game of the tourney and then continues to gain attention by
winning up to 6 more! Without a football playoff system of at least 8 teams it
will be awfully difficult to create a similar cinderella feel."Brother Benjamin FranklinOrem, UT"This is flawed
research. Please come back and provide something of benefit to our time."Sorry, guys. The fact that the research, and accompanying story
doesn't tell you what you want to know does not make the research
Very flawed research indeed. There's a major difference between a
cinderella in basketball versus football. A cinderella basketball team is
usually one that surprises in the very first game of the tourney and then
continues to gain attention by winning up to 6 more! Without a football playoff
system of at least 8 teams it will be awfully difficult to create a similar
This is flawed research. Please come back and provide something of benefit to
re: yodakHit "spent a decade" in the DN article and the BYU new
release gives a fairly good layman's account of the published article.
wtrskiier8 - How did you know there was a published paper in the Journal of
Quantitative Analysis? The article never mentions this - not that I can tell,
anyway. I've read it now at least 3 times and I don't find the
Yodak-The data is all there, not in this article but read the published
paper in the Journal of Quantitative Analysis in Sport. It's statistics
research so the only thing this is based off is 'substantiating data'
as you put it. This article is reporting based on a published academic journal,
if you want the 'exact' results they are all there.Chris B
and MyPerspective-I'm sorry this is not good enough research for you.
University of Utah doesn't even have a statistics department so you would
be hard pressed to find anyone who had the skills to run the statistical models
this study is based off of. According to the researchers a school like BYU would
not have been a Cinderella in 2011 because they were a #3 seed so your point
about this coming from a 'non-power' program aren't backed up.This is just a write up of the published academic paper. All of your
questions are essentially answered and accounted for in there.
One of the big reasons people like Cinderella's is because most of the fans
are from smaller schools. They want to see the smaller school do well and
destroy the big schools. The cheering section is enormous. In addition, people
are so sick of teams like Duke in it every year. In every case, I cheer against
a big school no matter the game. I am so sick of the one-sidedness in sports
that favor certain schools, so when Cinderella's come along, I HAVE to
cheer. Two of my favorite teams are VCU and Northern Iowa because they took
down some schools that are always in the tourney and it's so nice to not
have to see their name all the way through the tournament.
First of all, let's not forget this article is about the NCAA basketball
Final Four, and not about the BCS. Although I would like to think that bowl
games involving non-BCS teams are more popular among casual fans across the
country, there are far too many differences between NCAA football and NCAA
basketball to even make a reasonable comparison. We only have opinions and
assumptions.Which brings me to another point - there's no
substantiating data of any kind to back up the conclusion in the article. All
we have is: "the research found the only teams that provided a significantly
larger audience on a national level was the team or teams labeled as the
'Cinderella.'" I don't question the conclusion, because this
is something I've believed to be true for a long time. Once the Cinderella
teams are out of the tournament, most casual fans stop watching - at least
that's what my anecdotal evidence suggests.Personally, I find
it very disappointing that no supporting data were presented in this article. I
would like to see the numbers for myself and see just how
"significantly" the results differed.
MyPerspective"Cutting edge research" at the U often involves
coming up with the most clever way of sneaking a brewski into RES.
MyPerspective - It may not be cutting edge research, but at least it
ain't cold fusion!
This article shines a bright spotlight on the kind of work that byu fans think
coming from a non-power program, the desired results aren't shocking
If the Cinderella happens too often then it will lose its luster. The power
teams in college basketball have lost their luster because most of the true
stars don't stick around in college basketball anymore for more than a
season or 2. If Lebron had played 4 seasons at Indiana, UNC, or one of the
other power schools I believe the ratings would have been off the chart to watch
his power conference school play.
This exemplifies why the BCS System and college football stinks.A
Cinderella story happened only once in college football (1984). Instead of
celebrating it, the greedy created a system so it would never happen again.EVERY other sport in the history of sports has a playoff (with more than
4 teams, which is lame.) College football votes a champion. Lame.Oh and before all you utah "fans" claim that they were the Cinderella
team, just one question...Did it produce a NC?that is
why I love college basketball. I an live with the football thing because it is
only 12-13 games and its rigged like a presidential election.Give me
basketball, where teams get to play to find out who is the best. In a
tournament. Like MEN (and Woman). Not Prima donna schools who think they have
earned the right not to have to play to get a championship and then cry about
the unfairness of having to simply exist with "other schools."Or have fans that have terrible teams but a proud to be part of a corrupt
system.Looking forward to Basketball a little more than football at