“Don't you think that a very large part of suicide prevention would
be in learning the causes of suicide?” Actually, I think a large part of
suicide prevention would be for teachers to be educated in the warning signs,
but as the article reports, it's difficult to determine the legal
responsibilities of schools and the suitability of lay people determining risk.
“The 'suicidal ideation' known to be double for
those under 25 who take antidepressants is an overwhelming compulsion or
obsession . . . They would be better prepared for the urgency of the situation
if they were aware of this aspect don't you think?” No, I think
suicidal ideation is an urgent situation no matter what the cause, and teachers
are not privy to what medications students take. By the way, do you have a valid
reference for your claim of “double for those under 25”?
“My facts are easy to search because I am up front about who I am.”
Yep, like most DN commenters, I use a pseudonym. My real name is irrelevant to
the facts because they're not “my facts." As for references, I
actually gave the name and date of one publication, and enough information that
the others could easily be found online. But since you seem to need more info,
here it is: the 2006 study I mentioned was published in the June 2006 issue of
PLOS Medicine. It was led by Dr. Julio Licinio at UCLA. The name of the 2009
study is “Antidepressant Utilization and Suicide in Europe: An Ecological
Multi-National Study,” led by Ricardo Gusmao. You can look them up. Dr.
Ioannidis' article has been challenged (see Goodman and Greenland) and in
any case, one person's statements hardly rest your case. As I said, the
preponderance of evidence shows that antidepressants save lives.Your
mention of scripture is interesting. The LDS Church has a student study guide
for the New Testament. It defines the word “sorceries” in Revelation
18:23 as “magic.”
And by the way Anonyme if the title of the article is "Committee approves
bill clarifying school suicide prevention statutes" don't you think
that a very large part of suicide prevention would be in learning the causes of
suicide? The "suicidal ideation" known to be double for those under 25
who take antidepressants is an overwhelming compulsion or obsession about
committing suicide and continuous thoughts of ways to commit suicide. Seems it
should help a teacher deal better with a student if they understood those
suicidal compulsions are so strong in the age group he/she is dealing with. They
would be better prepared for the urgency of the situation if they were aware of
this aspect don't you think?
Anonyme nice touch hiding behind "Anonymous" while you give us these
supposed "facts" about antidepressants with no references. My facts are
easy to search because I am up front about who I am. As for your
studies it is important to note Dr. Marcia Angel left as editor of the New
England Journal of Medicine in about 2000 because she was sick of printing
"infomercials" as valid studies in the journal and pointed out that the
studies were falsified.Add to that the interview with the
world's leading expert on medical research in the Atlantic Monthly Magazine
in November, 2010. Dr. Ioannidis stated boldly in this interview titled
"Lies, Damn Lies and Medical Science" that at that point he estimated
that 90% of the research now is 90% "tainted," "flawed" or just
plain "bogus" due to influence ($$$$) from the industry with vested
interests! He went on to lament that he feared this would cause the end of
medical science. I would not take a car to a mechanic relying on info that was
90% incorrect!Time yet to heed the warnings of John (Rev 18:21-23)
concerning the deceptions of "sorcery" which is "Pharmakia" in
Greek, meaning "medicine from a pharmacy."
Furthermore, Ms. Tracy, a 2006 study showed that SSRI antidepressants have saved
thousands of lives since they became available in the U.S. in the late 1980s.
Suicide rates remained fairly steady for the 15 years prior to the introduction
of Prozac in 1988, but they dropped steadily over the next 14 years as use of
the drug increased. Between 12.7 and 13.7 suicides occurred among every 100,000
people in the U.S. from the early 1960s until 1988. Suicides steadily declined
after that to a low of 10.4 per 100,000 in 2000. A 2009 study in Europe showed
that “Suicide rates have tended to decrease more in European countries
where there has been a greater increase in the use of antidepressants. These
findings underline the importance of the appropriate use of antidepressants as
part of routine care for people diagnosed with depression, therefore reducing
the risk of suicide.”
Ann Blake Tracy, this is an article about the legal limits teachers have in
identifying and preventing suicide in young people. It's not about the
causes of depression. But if it were, your "three strongest witnesses"
pale in the face of the preponderance of scientific evidence. From a NIMH
bulletin: “In the  FDA review, no completed suicides occurred among
nearly 2,200 children treated with SSRI medications. However, about 4 percent of
those taking SSRI medications experienced suicidal thinking or behavior. More
recently, results of a comprehensive review of pediatric trials conducted
between 1988 and 2006 suggested that the benefits of antidepressant medications
likely outweigh their risks to children and adolescents with major depression
and anxiety disorders. The study was published in the April 18, 2007, issue of
the Journal of the American Medical Association."
I don't have a friend that hasn't been a little mentally ill at some
point in his or her life. Seriously.People have problems.
Unfortunately, we treat the body pretty well but the mind is up for grabs.
WHY do you need more bills and more committees when you have the three strongest
witnesses possible as to why we now have so many youth suicides? 1.
2005 FDA issued the strongest warning possible before completely banning a group
of drugs which is a Black Box Warning for about double the rate of suicide for
those under age 25.2. 1997 Dr. Candace Pert, whose discovery of
binding to drug receptors used to make antidepressants possible and who also
headed the brain chemistry department at the National Institute of Mental Health
for 13 years, yet stated boldly in Time Magazine, Oct. 20, page 8, how opposed
she was to antidepressants calling them "monsters" and stating that she
was alarmed to have ever had a part in their development. She instead
recommended diet and exercise as safe and effective solutions. Dr. Pert sat on
our board at the International Coalition for Drug Awareness until her death two
months ago.3. 1990's A memo used in court cases from the
manufacturer of the first SSRI antidepressant demonstrating the company was
informed by their own researches before putting it on the market that the drug
itself was causing suicide.
The unseen wounds of the soul are naturally harder to bind and heal than that
which is physical and up front. Suicide-prone teens need to know a bigger
picture, need hope, need love and to know of their infinite worth. Suicide is
seen as an answer to relieve pain and heartache by people when their vision of
life is clouded over; when blue sunny skies cannot be seen, a ride that gets
them topside of that is needed.