Hey jarka-rus and Gunner, I noticed that the other paper got it right as well
and not only put the Jordan QB on their exclusive list but also first team.
There are a lot of people who understand the kind of talent he has and what kind
of number he put up last season. The Jordan QB may be one of the all time best
athletes to come out of this state - EVER.
One overlooked anomaly in this year is All-State awards is the team from Lone
Peak. The team of underachievers accomplished something NEVER been done in Utah
H.S. Football! They are the FIRST team to play in a Semi-Final Game WITHOUT a
single selection to "1st team" squad. Had it not been for a single 2nd
Team appearance - the entire team would have remained merely (but honorably)
mentioned. Two years ago Mr. James editorialized that in years past “The
voting was often comical.” With that in mind - historically over the last
25 years or more, NO 3A, (3AA), 4A & 5A semi-finalist appearing team has
been without multiple 1st team picks, let alone left with just a SINGLE 2nd team
pick. I'm not sure what the "Deseret News revamped process"
actually does. I'd suggest a follow-up story on the first squad to advance
to the semi's without a single "first-team caliber player"! It
can't be wholly based on personal stats, can it? Do coaches need to pad
their stats? No bad feelings - rather factually noteworthy! For those left
snubbed in Lone Peak Land "Participation Trophies for All!"
Jarka-rus and Gunner, I will attempt to explain this to you again. Let me begin
with how many players in the 5A (or any other classification) do you know that
totaled 4,805 total yards and 50 TDs? On top of that - in both of your words -
the Jordan QB was the only weapon for Jordan HS. I would say that you have to
be some kind of special player if you are the only weapon and every team that
you play knows that you are the only weapon and still gain four thousand, eight
hundred and five yards and fifty touchdowns. Jordan HS would love to have won
the state title again but the AllState awards are not based on how your team did
- it is based on individual stats and I would say that the JHS QB has no equal.
@Man of SportsHe didn't prove anything LOL! You're arguing that
he is the best player on Jordan's team. Of course he is, that's easy
to see. But you forgot to word it as he is the ONLY weapon on their team, but
you chose to word it as their "main" weapon. No he was their ONLY
weapon. They had no other weapons. And are you saying that individual stats
really trump an undefeated season and winning a championship?!?! Really?? going
7-6 and losing in the semis is somehow better than 14-0 and a trophy?? I
don't get it.
@Man of SportsYet Bingham didn't FEAR Jordan's NFL QB did they?
4 int's is hardly scoring EVERY TIME he touched the ball. And I can
guarantee Bingham wasn't more worried about him then anyone else, if you
heard Coach Peck at halftime of the Alta game he said that Alta was the most
explosive offense they were going to see all year. He didn't say ANYTHING
about #2 at half of the Jordan game!
Great job Bingham! They were loaded and could have had a few others on the
first team imo but they're wearing the rings so I won't be nit picking
the lists. But I have to agree with other comments Kafentzis wasn't all
that this year, yeah he got all the accolades last year and well deserved but
this is 2013 and as was mentioned 20/19 is not good by any stretch at any level
and his team went 7-6 and lost in the semi's, he threw 4 INT's against
Bingham alone!! last I saw Bingham and their QB was hoisting the trophy at
14-0. but oh well Kyle Gearig will be on the 1st team next year I guarantee
that! THAREF you'll get to know his name very well next year buddy.
Gunner - exactly! You just proved my point. Jordan main weapon with their QB
and everyone schemed to stop him and he STILL had 50 TDs for the season. Hands
down the better player at that position. Thank you for answering my
question.I know an undefeated season and state championship are great team
goals but the AllState list is based on individual stats.
Well that doesn't prove much except that the only weapon Jordan had was
their QB. Bingham had their RB, their QB, their TE, their WR. So that
doesn't prove much saying who you scheme for more between the two teams.
Come up with an apples to apples comparison. Like I said, 9 fewer touchdowns
and 10 less interceptions that resulted in an undefeated season and state
championship means more to me.
Gunner - still haven't answered my question...Who do you scheme more
for - the Jordan QB or the Bingham QB. Maybe the lack of answer is enough.
Man of Sports: Put it this way, when Brighton and Jordan were playing in the
Semi final game, the Bingham coaches were hoping Jordan would win instead of
Brighton. That's because they were more worried about Brighton then the
Jordan team, or their QB.
10 ints in 340 attempts is a great ratio. Obviously you are not making
objective comments but are trying to be mean. Nice. But I guess being from AF
you are still bitter because he knocked you out of the playoffs. Basketball
season came early in AF. Oh wait you are accustomed to an not going to the
Orem you're right. He was the best pure passer; to the opposing team.
Gunner - you know as well as all of us that the voting is done by the coaches
and it obvious that the coaches fear (or respect) the Jordan QB more than
probably any other player on the list. That kid is a threat to score EVERY time
he touches it. 50 TDS is IMPRESSIVE. The Jordan coach doesn't have to
call any favors to get the Jordan QB on this list - FEAR alone from all the
other 5A coaches got him on the 1st team. Not like the BHS coach to get the JR
DB on the 1st team. Look at it like this - if you were the D Coordinator on the
other team - who do you scheme more for? The Jordan QB or the Bingham QB...I
think you can answer that yourself.
Gunner....The PG kid is and then some, I don't know about the
Unfortunately Orem7, neither of those two are worthy of honorable mention!
Frankly, your discussion of which qb threw better is kind of funny. The Bingham
kid, the Jordan kid, and the Lone Peak kid are below average passers. The two
passers in the bunch are the PG kid and the Alta boy. The PG kid is the best
Sinkme: The Gearig kid from Bingham had 41 touchdowns with 10 fewer
interceptions. Not to mention the fact that there were probably 5 games where
he didn't see the field in the 4th qtr. I watched the Jordan kid play 4
times this year. It wasn't due to bad routes being ran trust me. Go watch
the semi final game against Brighton. Passes were high, behind his receivers,
etc. It was the same in the other 3 games I watched him. Look I'm not
saying the kid isn't a great HS QB. I'm just saying that his stats
weren't that impressive to me as were the Bingham QB's. Sure I'm
a Bingham homer and alum. But the kid led his team to a 14-0 record and a state
championship. I think that trumps an extra 9 touchdowns in my opinion.
Pig Skin Fan- What is your deal with Syracuse High? All year you been on them
and bashing them. I'm from Salt Lake area so I have nothing to do with
Syracuse, but if I would say you have somthing out for them. Maybe you had a kid
that couldn't play for them or you couldn't go there. But I watch high
football in the state of Utah and only really care about 5A and they have done
great in there first 7 years.
My submittable last night was deleted or never posted by the DN. Why? Because it
was the truth? I certainly did not use vulgarity, I wasn't uncivil nor did
I denigrate anyone. I merely asked the DN to consider revamping how they can be
more fair in All State selections. As is, the system is flawed and allows
coaches get together and vote for guys as favors to other coaches. "You vote
for my guy , I'll vote for yours" and deserving players are left out or
end up as honorable mentions only because of inside deals. The process needs
more transparency and greater objective participation.
Given that this award is based on individual stats and not the team. The
McMorris kid deserves to be first team all-state. He had equal if not better
numbers in tackles and sacks than the first team linebackers, With the number of
games played compared to most players who played 1-4 more games then he did.
Quarterbacks do run the ball now days as well. The qb from Jordan looks to have
more rushing yards and TD's than both first team running backs. Never
seeing him play, one could assume that you would chalk at least half of those
int's on bad routes or missed balls by his receivers? I am not sure how
anyone can question how good the kid is unless you just don't like the
attention he gets. Yes, 19 interceptions. BUT 50 TOUCHDOWNS. How is that not
a first team all state kid "in any state"?
I was pretty pleased with the list, I thought my kid was a first teamer, but
maybe this can be a chip on his shoulder to work harder and do more at the next
level. I agree that Hunter Dall got robbed that kid was nails all year. It was
still quite the ride this year, GO BENGALS PRIDE!!!!
re: BarricadeThe West Jordan kid was third in tackles, which is
impressive, but 18th in sacks. Check the stat's before you make such
claims.re: adwightGajkowski is a great player. Saw him
play several games. It's a tough year to be a QB though. I'm not
sure which QB (first/2nd team) you could take off the list? The Davis QB is a
great player who had great numbers as well and he was honorable mention too. A
lot of great players at that spot this season.Also keep in mind.
Coaches from each school nominate players. The ballots are then voted upon by
the various coaches. Sometime people (parents) think their kid should be on the
list, when they don't even get nominated by their coach. Maybe off the
field issues? Who knows.
Re: Pig Skin FanThe kid from Brighton is a good kicker, however he
did not kick many field goals. Total points is a reflection of field goals and
Point after touchdowns. Most high school teams have kids who can kick
PAT's... The kicker from Syracuse had many more field goals. The second
team kicker from West was second in field goals. Hope this helps make sense.The Brighton kid also played in 4 additional games. I'm guessing
the Bingham kicker also scored more total points due to being in more games...
They need more categories, such as an ATH position. For example you're
trying to tell me Baron Gajkowski, one of the 5 best football players in the
state, led his team to back-to-back semi final appearances didn't even make
the All-State list until honorable mention? Yet Zac Dawe, with 44 tackles and 7
sacks makes 1st team All State when the kid from Brighton was far superior.
Makes no sense to me.
Not to mention the fact the kid ran for another 13 TD's.
Theref: Last time I checked, This is for THIS year. Not the past 3 years. 20
td's and 19 interceptions does not qualify as all state, in any state. He
has had an incredible career. But this year was not a great one for him. The
Gearig kid threw for 28 TD's and had 9 interceptions. Besides led his team
to an undefeated season with a state championship. You compare this year bud,
not the past 3.
How is it that a player can be the 5A leader in both tackles and QB sacks and
not be first team? The McMorris kid from West Jordan got robbed!
I agree with Gunner. You can't base this on anything but this year.
It's the 2013 All State Team. One more TD Pass than INT and only a 50%
completion average. Not very impressive and not on a State Championship Team.
Like other QB's from Jordan and Utah High Schools the Jordan kid will not
play a down of D1 football at the QB position.
OL: Nick Giles, Brighton, Sr.He did get Second Team, but should have
been a First Team guy also. I get it they lost the Championship, but he was
right there with the other two OL from Brighton all year. Great job Giles.
Hunter Dall Kicker from Brighton was robbed. Out scored the Syracuse Kicker by
26 points in the year. They missed him big time. Had one off game in the
Championship. Many other did not play their best in that game, but still made
Come on gunner look at his body of work the last three years. He has broken
ALMOST every record there is recorded for a QB. That kid from bingham
what's his name? Ya not even close to what Auz has done, not even close.
well deserved list...But how was Hunt the DE for Brighton left off this list????
8 first team selections from Bingham. That is awesome! Well deserved boys! As
for the QB selection, 20 td's and 19 interceptions? I get the love affair
with the kid, but he did not have anywhere near the year he did last year. I
still would have went with the kid from Bingham at QB. Way to go Miners!