The teacher haters are out in full force. I think it is funny people think all
teachers majored in education. Maybe elementary teachers. It is also
appropriate since on the elementary level, delivery and creating an atmosphere
to love learning are more important than content and the content level is low
enough any college educated person could handle it. However, on the secondary
level, most teachers have a major in a field of study. They also have added
courses on teaching methods. Most teachers have master's degrees in
various disciplines. Also, those great salaries Utah teachers get paid really
attract doctors and lawyers to defect as noted by all the BMW's in teacher
parking lots at schools. In reference to those who want us to follow other
countries in their methods like the reference to Finland above: don't make
me laugh. Utah schools can't even pass dress codes that are similar
without people complaining. Imagine what would happen if we tried to hold
students accountable in some of the other ways other countries do.
"But regardless... proposals they KNOW we don't have money to fund make
no sense. It's just posing. And we have too much of that going on up on the
hill as it is. Making proposals they know we can't fund (because we
can't even afford to pay our teachers or reduce class size).. should be
frowned upon from the start... not at the last minute."Respectfully--I couldn't agree with you more!Could it be that
we have "revealed" the reason why the $300 million proposal went nowhere
with many teachers? I think we have a winner!!!
TheOcean,Re: Respectfully--it isn't going to MORE zeros in teacher
paychecks"...I know that. That's what I posted.That's the point (that the money would be spent on technology and
education, and couldn't be diverted into paychecks... was the reason
teachers fought AGAINST it).They didn't want THIS $300
Million.... Why?.... because it couldn't end up in their pockets.They'd rather turn down the $300 million... than let it go towards
education, because they couldn't get their hands on it. They
fight against the $300 million... because it would actually go to the children
in the class room (not teacher paychecks or benefits)That seems
revealing to me.
"Not more zeros in teacher paychecks (or retirement accounts)."Respectfully--it isn't going to MORE zeros in teacher paychecks.Teachers in my district haven't had even a cost of living raise in SEVEN
years. During the same time frame, there have been fewer zeros in teacher
paychecks and not more (somewhere between a 8-9 percent DECREASE in salary and
benefits during the Great Recession).The money earmarked to teacher
retirement is going to meet ONGOING obligations and promises--not new. It is
going to "pay now" to try to prop up the Utah Retirement System so that
the wonderful taxpayers of Utah don't have to "pay later" which
would be a disaster for all involved.Thank you to the great citizens
of Utah for being people of honor and integrity. Thank you for realizing the
need to fulfill the obligations and promises make by our elected officials to
I think the fatal flaw in this legislation was... there was no chance of the
$300 Million being snatched into the pockets of the UEA and teachers. It was
earmarked for technology investments (not salary/benefits increases).
That's why it was resisted by teachers.===Every
increase we give education seems to be snatched into salary or benefits for
administrators and existing teachers before it can be used to hire MORE teachers
(which would enable us to reduce class sizes).Until an education
budget increase actually makes it to the class room (in the form of smaller
class sizes)... I'm going to continue to be critical of how these yearly
increases are spent and not be a passionate advocate of sending more and more
money to education each year, to no avail.The budget increases were
intend to help the children (not the teachers). But they always get snatched up
in teacher salary or benefit increase... before they can be used to hire more
teachers so we can reduce class-size. That needs to end before I'm on
board.We need more teachers and more buildings first. Not more
zeros in teacher paychecks (or retirement accounts).
Come on. Of course Lockhart's plan had a vision....a vision of lots of
money for whoever sold the iPads.
I don't like Lockhart's politics. But I think she meant well with the
I-Pads. But she needs to talk to teachers. I have been primarily an instructor
at the college level, but I have put in some time at the secondary level. If
Lockhart were to ask me what the most important issue is in high school I would
answer - motivation. Teachers are charged with the need to motivate and inspire
students. We do this with as much personal interaction as we can muster. The
computer toys can help (and help with a certain type of student a lot), but the
motivation thing is a personal human on human interaction. It is labor
intensive. I wish there were magic toy to help that, but such does not exist.
Liberal Larry presents a good idea, but leaves out an important point. Teachers
in Finland are compensated equal to their value. Because the
teachers unions have thrown their hat with Democrats, education has become
politicized. Republicans attempt to penalize and weaken educators because union
money goes toward democrat campaigns. Obama's efforts to spend
federal money on preschool education is not about improving student outcomes
(research shows no benefit by 3rd grade). It's about unionizing more
teachers for democratic party purposes.I agree with Lib Larry.
Employ professionals as teachers. Pay them well. Depoliticize education (stop
teaching liberalism, and eliminate union contributions to any political party).
Indeed. Echoing another article, there just isn't one single or simple fix
for education; public schooling stands at a unique intersection between culture
at home, culture in public, and administrative considerations. Simply using
more recent technology doesn't make more teachers available, increase
teachers' credentials, fix broken homes, energize apathetic students, or
eliminate unionizing or tenures that could be maintaining faculty status quo.
I think you got this one right Jay. iPads don't teach students, they are
only a tool in the hands of teachers. I think money would be better spent
developing software for both teachers and students to use than by buying more
I think liberal larry makes a significant point that should be seriously
considered in all debates on academic improvement of public schools. "Education" may be a major but public schools need teachers who have
majored in subjects taught, such as English, Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics,
History. A serious study and mastery of the subjects to be taught is critical.
A second idea is to seek graduates from the upper quartile of
graduates. Too often we let the bottom level students enter into teaching,
reinforcing the adage "them that can't, teach".Young
people are not well read, nor are they able to write legibly or coherently
because the school system has not demanded basic mastery of how to live in a
society. A tablet instead of a book would only reinforce the idea that they are
entitled to something for nothing.Pay should be improved for well
qualified teaching professionals.IMO "Education" should not
be a major, but a skill set taught to complement a major and minor course of
instruction, for qualified applicants seeking a teaching career.
Maybe instead of trying to radically change our educational system we should
look at other countries successes and see how we can work on improving what we
have already. Individual states could be testing grounds for new ideas that are
based on sound science and proven workability.For example, one of
Finland's advances was to only hire teachers from top tier schools, and to
make sure they had majors, and even masters degrees in the subjects they
taught!Remember, at BYU or the "U", all those education
majors who ended up in law school, or who got their MBA's, or became
real-estate moguls?In Finland they are the one's who ended up
Thanks jay, for sugar coating it. If Lockhart were a democrat, I'm sure you
would have been just as easy on her as you were with this article.It
was a bad idea.It obviously didn't include any input from those
who are in the trenches, teachers.It obviously ignored all the research
from LA Unified, which has shown that their invesent in iPads to be a
failure.It didn't address ESL students. Or class special education.
Or class sizes.It didn't help the teacher.It didn't help
education.It was clearly either her grand standing or an attempt to give
away hundreds of millions to a campaign do or/family member.It should be
considered criminal how our elected officials have taken it upon themselves to
choke out public education in this state.'our children suffer because our
legislature wants to privatize education and make millions off of it.I know of several educators. They'll never vote for her for governor now.
So it was again, another misfire from someone desiring power and control over
what is best for our children.