Why do you think this message is about Kate Kelly? There are a lot more
men/women out there who this could have a greater impact on. I see youth and
adults every day struggle with this. Let's get over KK, she has made her
bed, and now she is dragging it through the public eye. I support YWGP Oscarson
and her message and hope that it will help those who need it.
Globetrecker writes, "I am surprised to see so many people say that Kate
Kelly hasn’t done anything to lead people away from the church, and then
admit that they themselves are considering leaving the Church. This is all a
result of her actions, and by saying that you are leaving, you are showing how
correct the Church has been on their stance. "So...if somebody
looks at the way the Church handled Kelly's case--and they decide to leave
the Church--it proves that the church has been correct.And if that
same person looks at the way they handled it---and they decide to stay in the
Church---it proves that the church has been correct.I'm going
to guess that you see the events following Mr. Marchant's excommunication
"proved" that the Church was right on that, too.
Cval, the Apostle Paul withstood his ecclesiastical superior Peter "to the
face, for he was to be blamed." Peter, the Prophet, was wrong, and Paul
called him on it. And then went and wrote about it in a public document, and
kept writing about it. Dang near half the New Testament is devoted to their
public quarrel about whether Gentile converts had to get...an operation
belowdecks that many of them understandably were reluctant to undertake.
In the Bible (Acts 26:14) we are warned about "kicking against the
pricks."Sound familiar? That is exactly what Saul was doing in
the New Testament, and exactly what Kate Kelly is doing. The answers are there
if we are paying attention.
"I am surprised to see so many people say that Kate Kelly hasn’t done
anything to lead people away from the church, and then admit that they
themselves are considering leaving the Church. This is all a result of her
actions, and by saying that you are leaving, you are showing how correct the
Church has been on their stance."Faulty logic. If I left the
sixteenth-century Catholic Church because I was appalled that they'd just
burned some poor heretic to cinders, would it be proper for the Catholic
leadership to say my leaving is a result of the heretic's actions, and it
just shows how correct the decision to do the auto-da-fe really was?
"Having read this, I do wonder what the future holds for the current
supporters of this group, now that the leader and founder has been
excommunicated.Having an OW profile isn’t worth losing ones membership or
good standing over."That's exactly how many women seem to
be taking the news of her excommunication: it's not about her and her
bishop, it's a message from the church--a threat--get in line or get kicked
I think the message is more important than the messenger. Maybe Sister Ocsarson
was in town and was available to record the message? Church leaders ae very
busy and travel frequently. I for one do not question why Elder
Oaks spoke on the Priesthood at the last conference. His message is what was
important - and enlightening - for me...
She seems compassionate, caring and kind. And yet, so many of the posts
involving Kate's excommunication seem finger pointing, gleeful, angry and
"told ya so." Where's the disconnect, I wonder?
Hmmmmmm.....Just curious why they used the YWGP to record this
message??It would just seem more natural and "appropriate"
to have the RSGP give such a message, wouldn't it?Any ideas
Very good reminder from Sister Oscarson. The timing is interesting. If you spend
any time on Feminist Mormon Housewives you will see that Kate Kelly and her
followers like Sister Oscarson a lot. Not understanding that she doesn't
hold priesthood keys of presidency, they mistakenly refer to her as
"President Oscarson". But that is an easy mistake for any of us to make.
Hopefully she can help heal their pain.
@southmtnman:I am a man and I think her words apply to me just as well.
She is one of the Lord's anointed, so when she or the other auxiliary
presidency members speak to everyone, it is just as important to listen to them
as it is to listen to an apostle. I suspect she did this as an assignment from
the 1st Presidency, so listen up everyone.
Interesting how our church leaders remind us to be compassionate and for some it
turns into an argument about Ms. Kelly. Compassion should always be part of our
practicing vocabulary regardless of who takes a turn at reminding us to do
so.As for Ms. Kelly, actions regarding her membership are and were
between her and her bishop / stake president alone. Any information broadcast
to the public will be, naturally, slanted to put Ms. Kelly in a better light. I
am confident that correct procedures, motives and methods have been involved
here as in all other cases; even the ones that don't make the national
press. Let's leave it at that.
@chrisalmondHaving been on both the begining and end of church disiplinary
boards, the decision made in those councils are made after prayer and in all
cases I was involved also fasting, that decision comes from God: therefore, it
indeed was Kate's choice to not follow God's council given to her from
a prohet of God.
I don't believe Kate Kelly has been leading people out of the Church. For
many, having a voice like hers, one they could relate to, helped them stay. It
is the decision to excommunicate her which is causing many to leave, NOT
It is so wonderful to see the workings of the still small voice as is
demonstrated here.It makes me shudder to see the wailing and nashing
of teeth shown elsewhere.Thank you Sister Oscarson for your
leadership in the Church.
She is the Young Women's President, so only the Young Women need to listen
to her?Why do the Young Women need special counsel on being
compassionate? Are they having a problem in that area?
Compassion and Gratitude makes the world go round. Without gratitude it's
kinda one sided. I figure that what forgiveness is for. If it's only for my
self, to let go of resentment.
I saw this comment on one article and found it both insightful and
interesting:“I am surprised to see so many people say that
Kate Kelly hasn’t done anything to lead people away from the church, and
then admit that they themselves are considering leaving the Church. This is all
a result of her actions, and by saying that you are leaving, you are showing how
correct the Church has been on their stance. I’m sorry to see so many of
my brothers and sisters hurting for disobedience and hope they take the
opportunity to see why having an OW profile is sowing the seeds of apostasy and
they humble themselves and come back.”Having read this, I do
wonder what the future holds for the current supporters of this group, now that
the leader and founder has been excommunicated.Having an OW profile isn’t
worth losing ones membership or good standing over. I am hopeful there are some
who seek to be humble and turn from these ways but I see so much anger and hard
heartedness that I wonder what the future holds for them and their membership.
What a find statement. No argument can be made against this request to be
respectful to one another. Would we have it any other way?
There are a flood of members whose shelves have finally broken. Compassion is
the only method of reaching out that will work.