And the evidence of all that people are saying about President Obama is where?
I've heard many things since he's been President. One of the first the
birth certificate issue. He produced it. Did people believe it? Some not. Maybe
people would not believe my birth certificate because my ancestors had a strange
last name. But I haven't been accused of anything because people have no
reason. Many conservatives are looking for reasons to not like President Obama
because he is progressive and is getting things done that haven't been done
for many years or ever. He isn't perfect, but he's the best president
I've seen in my years. I believe he will go down in history as a famous
President. And next, we will have another progressive president (probably a
woman this time) And won't the conservatives have a fit again! Wow,
I'm living in a historic time.
Redshirt -"Even Germany that loved candidate Obama in 2008 has
turned on him. "WRONG.Obama has been the most
popular world leader since 2009. Look it up.
To "LDS Liberal" since you are not paying attention to current world
politics, lets review what Obama has done to the middle east, and how they hate
Obama and US because of it.In Libya, Obama supported Al Qaeda and
militants to overthrown a mildly bad tyrant only to have militant tyrants that
are worse take over.In Egypt, Obama supported the Muslim
Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood turned out to be worse than the tyrant
Obama opposed, so they kicked them out too, and are trying again for somebody
better than Mubarak.In Iraq they aren't made because of the US
coming in, they are made about the US leaving right as the terrorist militants
began taking over again.In Iran, we haven't done anything yet
other than send really stern letters. They never really liked us.In
Syria they laugh at Obama's weak stances and the fact he couldn't
negotiate his way out of a paper bag.In Israel, most people hate
Obama because of the support he gives Hamas.The only people who have
higher opinions of Obama are terrorists because of the support he has given
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, UtDid you look at how much the
middle east hates the US? It is worse now than when Bush was in office.4:26 p.m. July 21, 2014======== Nice spin and
deflection there Red...The QUESTION was toward Pres. Obama, and you site a Middle Eastern opinion toward the U.S. in general?If Iran had been bombing America day and night for 12 years, YOU would
not have a very high opinion of Iran either!The fact is, Pres.
Obama is respected outside of the United States -- For showing restraint,
Minimizing getting involved in the affairs of other Nations, Focusing attendtion to domestic problems, and always persuing
Diplomacy over the bullying of MILTARY intervention.
Examine how Obama has handled the border crisis and you can understand my
distrust of his leadership. He encouraged them to come by offering amnesty to
the those already here and is doing little to stop the flow. The drug cartels
are making $7,000 for each child they get to our side of the border. They just
found a 15 year old helpless boy in a wheel chair left on our side of the Rio
Grande, alone and without water. He would have been dead had the Border Patrol
not found him in time. I want a leader as President not a fund raising speech
To "steamroller" according to Pew, DerSpiegal, the UK papers, and all
sorts of international newspapers.Did you look at how much the
middle east hates the US? It is worse now than when Bush was in office.
To "GaryO" wow, either you are lying to protect Obama or else you are
ignorant of reality.Internationally we have less support than ever.
Even Germany that loved candidate Obama in 2008 has turned on him. I am not
aware of any country where the people still hold Obama in high regard. They all
see him as secretive and deceitful, and really haven't like the way he set
the middle east on fire and how the NSA spys on everybody including our
allies.Since when has Obama created a win-win situation?How can the Right Wing be obstructing Obama, when it is the Left Wing
idealists in the Senate that have constantly prevented Obama's agenda from
being implemented.The ones that lie the most about Obama are his
supporters. They lie about the impact of his decisions and the direction that
his agenda is taking the US.
Hey Ultra Bob -“The obvious result is that President Obama has
no standing in the international theatre and is then criticized for have not
effect.”That is not true. Obama enjoys both popularity and
standing in the international theater . . . Much more so than GW Bush. GW was
widely regarded as a pushy buffoon backed up by noisy nationalists at home.
Obama is widely regarded as a leader willing to create win/win situations, but a
leader who is beleaguered at home by an oppressive and obstructive Right Wing
movement that weakens his effectiveness.One Old Man – “It's actually those who accuse Obama of lying who are doing
the lying.”That’s very true . . . And they Lie a LOT.
Bitter people need an object to demonize.
To "steamroller" go back and read your history book. Lincoln
didn't like Roger Taney because of the ruling on the suspension of habeas
corpus in parts of Maryland. It had nothing to do with sending troops to fight
To "Screwdriver" what the right says about Obama is the same thing that
they were saying about Bush. Bush was wrong when he wanted government to solve
all our problems, and Obama is wrong for wanting the same things.To
"pragmatistferlife" and how is that any different than now? Under Obama
we have had multiple terrorist attacks, remember the Boston Marathon bombing.
Those guys were just like the 9/11 bombers. Remember Benghazi, that was an
attack on American soil since diplomatic buildings are considered the soil of
the country operating out of those buildings.Obama has sent US
troops into Libya, and is selling weapons to terrorist organizations. Obama has
sent thousands of people into combat throughout the middle east, most of whom
will die because they are not trained soldiers. He fights his was
vicariously.When Obama took office we continued to shed jobs for
nearly 2 years until the Democrats lost control of Congress. The economy is
still in the dumps, and we now have the lowest labor participation rate since
the 1970's.Bush gave us Medicare Drugs, Obama gave us the ACA.
Both meant to cut costs and expand coverage, and both are failures.
@Mike Richards 10:09 a.m. July 20, 2014 I read your comment, looking
for even the tiniest scintilla of truth in it. Sadly, none could be found.
Mike R, I find it offensive that you tell us what Lincoln would do, say and
think. You have no idea what he would have done. You are good at telling
everyone what they "should" think that you even put words that have no
basis in fact in the mouths of people that are passed away. As for
dividing the country, white against black, rich against poor. The Tea party ,
Eagle Forum, Sutherland Institute and the GOP have done that. Their give no
ground attitude has set a bad course for discussion and compromise. My Church and the Church of 6 generations of my fore bearers does not believe
or teach what you tell us. It teaches us to find truth and reserve judgment.
The attacks on our duly elected President have been venomous and un Christ Like.
The Church needs to address this as it is causing my Non Mormon friends to have
a very bad opinion of us.
Real MaverickAll of those things are still going on. Nothing has
changed except for the Party Name.
I'm so tired of Obama.Let's get back to the way Bush was
running things. Let's get back to tax cuts for the rich, deregulation,
attacking Middle East countries, and crashing the economy.
"To those that say that Bush was so much worse than Obama, how was he
worse"Ahhh America was attacked on our own soil for the first
time and thousands of Americans died in the attack.He invaded two
sovereign nations that cost thousands of American lives again and trillions of
dollars.He left office with the economy in complete free fall,
losing 750,000 jobs a month. How's that for a starter.The whole you can keep your insurance and your doctor falldara is at
best a gross misrepresentation of scope. Yes there are some, a very few, who
had to change insurance and in the process lost some of their doctors, but the
vast (probably around 95%) majority of people were not effected in the least by
the ACA. False statement yea..but in scope a very, very, small effect.
“The reason why many do not support the President is the direction he is
taking our country.”Really? Huh.President Bill Clinton enjoyed very little support from Mormons, while he
successfully raised taxes for high earners, balanced the budget for four
Consecutive years, fostered a booming economy, and presided over a nation at
peace with strong international allies. Most Mormons absolutely DISDAINED
Clinton.But Mormons absolutely LOVED GW Bush, even while he took
Clinton’s outstanding legacy and DESTROYED it all. GW Bush left us a
giant hole where the Twin Towers once stood, a nation in economic peril, in two
unnecessary wars, and he TRIPLED the national debt, while alienating important
international allies. But Mormons still loved and admired GW Bush even while
he was running this nation into the ground.It looks to me like the
popularity of a President with Mormons can be used as a sort of inverse
barometer. The more the Mormon majority dislikes a President, the better he is
. . . And vice versa.
One old manSo its others that are doing the lying?"If you like your Healthcare plan you can keep it" Lie"I
will have the most transparent presidency in History" Lie"If you
are making less than $200,000 you will not se your taxes raised one dime"
LieNeed I go on?
Those of you who are injecting race into this are seriously deluded by race
baiters who profit off racism and wish hangings were still going off. If Ron
Paul were black I would have no problem voting for him. This racist idea is a
bunch of Garbage. It not the race its the person and his puppet masters he has
sold his soul to.
Really Redshirt? They are doing the "exact same things"? So you are
acknowledging the criticism of Obama from the right wing as disingenuous?Your view of Bush as a progressive only makes you something farther to
the right, whatever that may be, typically that's called fascism.
"Most compelling for me was something Abraham Lincoln said on the back of a
train as he left Springfield, Illinois for Washington DC on Jan 27, 1838 to be
our President and occupy the White House"So President Lincoln
had been president for 23 years prior to the Civil War breaking out in 1861? So
he had almost served 6 terms before the Civil War broke out?Gee,
what other "facts" await us at this movie?
Mr. Richards --- you say Lincoln was not a liar. True. But even a very short
scan of history will show you literally thousands of times when news of the day
accused him of lying.The same is true of Obama today. It's
actually those who accuse Obama of lying who are doing the lying.
The most obvious thing about the Obama presidency is that he is not taking this
country anywhere, in any direction. The party of NO and others who would see
our nation die before accepting a black president have shut down all progress of
the promises make by Mr. Obama. Radio and TV has been in a feeding
frenzy of hate since the very beginning of his presidency. It is likely that
never before in our history has so much hate and phony accusations been directed
toward an American. The obvious result is that President Obama has
no standing in the international theatre and is then criticized for have not
effect. But the truth is, it is all phony and has no basis. If he
has done something wrong, bring the charges and settle it in court.
Joseph Conrad: Great letter. I agree. President Obama is the most destructive
president in our nation’s history. Richard Davis’s op-ed mainly
said that the president is a decent guy in his personal life, so LDS should
support him. That’s a pretty weak argument. Anyone who truly respects
and reveres the Constitution would be appalled at Obama’s regular attacks
against it. Freedom is taking a serious hit under his watch.
To those that say that Bush was so much worse than Obama, how was he worse? The
only way that Bush was better was because the magnitude of his programs was less
than Obama's. They both are doing the EXACT same things. Bush and Obama
are Progressives that think government can make things better. If you think
that Bush was so much worse than Obama, how are they different besides race and
political party? Bush and Obama are the same.To "airnaut"
actually, Lincoln was a conservative libertarian. A Progressive Liberal would
have spent massive amounts of money on failed programs to free the slaves, and
then wouldn't be able to figure out why there was still slavery after
spending all that money.
Wow, I am amazed that anyone could think Pres. Obama's foreign policy is a
success. The US has alienated most of our allies. The militant wing of Islam
is spending faster than ever. China is bullying its neighbors. We renigged on
an agreement with Poland to base defensive missles there. Russia annexes a
large chunk of Ukraine and Obama cannot even convince the European countries to
enact any meaningful sanctions. Even Europeans who did not like Bush acknowledge
that at least Bush would do what he said he would do. The US credibility has
sunk to new lows. If your goal for foreign policy is to neuter the U.S., yep
quite a success.This is an administration that has run in campaign
mode for 6 years and now has no clue how to govern.
I could enumerate a number of reasons why people around here vote the way they
do, and don't like the President. They wouldn't get published here, no
matter how close to the truth.
"We have weak foreign and domestic policies, extremely excessive spending,
lying, cover-ups and scandals, disregard for the Constitution and a
deterioration of our moral fiber"And yet Christ still managed to
set the example of how a Christian should act in circumstance far worse than
anything imagined by today's self persecuted and victimized crowd. All I
hear is incessant moaning and nashing of teeth because of the unbearable
conditions we live in today.... and it makes one wonder what our own
forefathers would say to our protestations, when they endured far greater
hardships, and violations of their rights and liberties.We live in a
day of far greater freedoms than in any other time in history.... and we as a
people act with contempt and selfishness. A true reading and understanding of
history would help many understand the many blessing and freedoms they enjoy
that few before them ever imagined possible.
Was this letter delayed in the mail for something like seven years?
Re: "Most compelling for me was something Abraham Lincoln said on the back
of a train as he left Springfield, Illinois for Washington DC on Jan 27, 1838 to
be our President and occupy the White House."So Lincoln left for
Washington to be president and occupy the White House 22 years before he was
elected (in 1860)?He wasn't even elected to Congress till
1846.Re: "Do yourself a favor and go see the movie!"Or read the review at "Forbes" (Conservapedia lists
"Forbes" as a conservative magazine). To quote just one line: "All
of this would be scary if D'Souza's documentary were at all grounded
in reality."Re: "You will learn much!"But in
light of the 20-some-odd-year mistake on Lincoln's departure for Washington
to become president, how much of it will be true?
I can't think of one major economic or social statistic, from the national
murder rate, to the yearly budget deficit, that hasn't improved under
President Obama.The only thing that is seems to have declined is the
civility, and credibility of the "loyal" opposition.
The "progressive liberals" of Lincoln's time were nothing like the
progressive liberals of today. Lincoln was not a liar. Obama doesn't know
the meaning of the word, "truth". Lincoln had integrity. Obama
measures integrity by how many votes it would bring - you can keep your
insurance - you can keep your doctor - it will save each family $2,500 a year -
I'll cut the deficit in half. Lincoln tried to bind up the wounds and
reunite a divided nation. Obama pits white against black, poor against rich,
lazy against those who work. Lincoln would have recoiled against people calling
for same sex marriage. Obama is their champion. Lincoln would have protected
the unborn. Obama wants even those babies who survive a partial birth abortion
to receive no medical help. Lincoln did everything he could to help the vets.
Obama puts them on a two-year waiting list. Obama is no Lincoln.
Lincoln would have had no use for Obama.
Does the right want more cheese with its whine today?All I get out
of this letter is more sour grapes about Romney losing. Too bad so sad.Actually provide a candidate next time. The right hasn't come close to
winning an election in quite some time!
Again the DN publishes a letter without any basis. This behavior is not worthy
of good members of my Church. I am glad that the DN published the original
letter by Richard Davis. That letter was the talk around town because it was so
shocking to see the DN actually print something well written and not belittling.
Mr. Davis had a well reasoned letter. This was done by an honest educated man
about the state of our support for our duly elected President.
@ MMDinesh D'Souza is the right's Michael Moore. Watch his
stuff to be entertained, not informed.So what's the
solution?The right has made it no secret that they hate Obama. So
one would think that if Obama really was the train wreck he's accused of
being, that the right would have no problem finding a candidate that could beat
him.So why has it been impossible to beat him? Why is the right
looking at 16+ years of straight democrat rule?Is it because people
just don't understand the right's awesomeness?Is it
because McCain, Palin, Romney, and now Bush are just so awesome?
@MountanmanHayden, IDYou know -- Abraham Lincoln was a
Progressive Liberal - Don't you?BTW-- Pres.Obama is facing a
similar divided America that Lincoln did.Liberal vs. Conservative...same,
I wonder how many people don't complain com paired to the people who do. I
wouldn't complain, I simply don't buy it again. So how exactly do we
get these guys a second time.
I recently took my family to see the Dinesh D'Souza movie
"America". Most compelling for me was something Abraham Lincoln said on
the back of a train as he left Springfield, Illinois for Washington DC on Jan
27, 1838 to be our President and occupy the White House, He was overwhelmed with
the task before him of a much devided nation. "If destruction be our lot,
we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must
live through all time, or die by suicide." A great civilization is not
conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. Do yourself a
favor and go see the movie! You will learn much!
Couldn't disagree more. His foreign policy has proved to be
enormously effective..unless you are looking for a bully and more war.His spending stopped a depression and he has now cut deficit spending by three
quarters. The annual deficit will be less than it was a year before he took
office. The scandals and cover ups...all faux scandals. Nothing
covered up in Benghazi, nothing covered up with IRS. Nothing to fast and
furious. Republicans have investigated them until the microphones are worn out
I thought the same things when Bush the second was President, and the country
survived.I appreciate the fear and loathing you have of Obama,
however misplaced. However, the country will survive and indeed has flourished
for a great many.Don't worry so much, in a couple of years you
will have a chance to elect a new President. In the meantime, try a little
thought reflection. I found it most useful during the Bush years, and most
especially at the end of his term when the economic world fell apart.
Short but interesting thought but not very original. During the Bush years the
moral fiber of America deteriorated. After the false tragedy 911 Bush leans over
the podium and tells America to go shopping and shopping they did go! Bigger
homes and bigger cars and bigger life style. It was like a scene cut right from
Roman history. Everyone was busy shopping and buying that our constitution was
molested, Homeland Security Act and PATRIOT Act was passed without notice. When
it all came crashing down who gave Wall Street (the greediest of the greedy)a
bail out? The porn industry grew so much during the Bush years that they even
asked for Government assistance for their failing industry. Two wars and Bush
never attended one funeral, crashing economy and illegal aliens flooding our
country with cheap labor and then the party was over and Bush was gone. Clean up
the mess Obama and take the blame for the sickest era in American history.You see Joseph Conrad your letter does not mean anything to those of us
who tried to stop the horrors as our country fell during the Bush years.
This "letter" misses the mark.This is a poorly written piece that
doesn't reference anything in the spot-on and well-written article by
Richard Davis.This letter reminds me of the spoiled child who covers his
ears and protests "na, na, na, na...I can't hear you!"President Obama won the National election twice, very convincingly, but that
is completely overlooked by people who just can't accept the basic rules by
which we all play. Self-righteousness is a character flaw and is also frowned
upon by religious leadership.From what I see and hear, Patriotism is
not a Utah thing and (R)-Mike Lee's assertion that Utahns have an
"extra gene" of patriotism is demonstrably false by the support shown
for OUR President. In my opinion, many Utahns have an "extra gene" of
self righteousness and then another extra gene of "poor
sportsmanship"P.S. I am extremely proud of our President! Our
Nation will continue to recover from the disasters created from the previous
administration when Barack Obama hands over the reigns to the next president
(who will also be a Democrat.)
Plus, I've gained ten pounds since he became President, and our cat also
died. Darn that Obama! To be serious for a second, though, what you really mean
is, this is a President who supports policies you disagree with. That's it.
The same could of been said about Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc.