@positivethinker - Seriously? No-one said that Coach Whit was a bad judge of
talent...but that's only a small part of the recruiting battle...what makes
him a poor recruiter (in the PAC12) is that every time one of those other
schools sweeps in and offers a scholarship...the kid takes it. You have to find
the talent AND convince them to come play for you. That's where all of the
schools in Utah fall behind.
@Richapotamusrex:Kyle Whittingham a Terrible Recruitier?
Sorry....That Just is Not a True Statement.In Watching the PAC 12 Media
Days, Every Single Coach Had Nothing But Great Respect and High praise for
Whittingham. If Whittingham is such a bad recruitier, why then, when Utah gives
an offer to a player the coaches have thoughly evaluated, why does the rest of
the Pac 12 Coaches sweep in and make an offer to the Players Utah has already
Randy, you make a good point. I too hope Coach Whitt isn't fired after
this season, even if they go 5-7 again. There are some rumors coming out of the
Ute athletic department suggesting Chris Hill doesn't want to go through
another head coach hiring process. He is within a few years of retiring himself
and favors leaving that up to his successor. I would guess he wants to stick
around to dedicate the basketball facility, but could retire just after that in
2015 or 2016. Then his successor will have the job of making the decision on
the head coach. If those rumors prove true, that will give Whitt more time to
make the improvements needed. Dr. Hill's impending retirement could also
be the reason he has delayed RES expansion. That is a huge project and he
probably wants to leave that to his successor.
@Christopher B - why do all Ute fans continually compare themselves to BYU or
other in-state programs. Who cares who 'continually wins the in-state
recruiting battle'? So you have higher rated recruits than BYU...how does
that translate into wins in the PAC12? Because, last time I checked, every
single one of the top in-state recruits this year is headed to an out of state
school...including a ton of your PAC12 competitors. Until you start
out-recruiting THEM, you'll remain at the bottom of your own league.
Congratulations on out-recruiting BYU, Weber State and USU! With those kind of
recruits you'll definitely be able to compete in the MWC...oh wait...
Owning the schools in Utah? Who cares? If Utah played in the fictional Utah
conference that would be an accomplishment but they don't. They play in the
PAC 12 and they keep getting worse each year. Kyle may be a good coach but he is
a terrible recruiter and an even worse motivator because he has the ability to
get as many "better players" as he wants but fails to do so year after
year. He should take a look at what Skyline did and what Bingham and Timpview
are doing now and maybe he can motivate his recruits, I mean
"transfers", like they do.
Well there you go, losing Fremont football players. Your coach says you must not
be cut out to play football for such a great coach as he is. Kind of gives you a
warm fuzzy, doesn't it? Sure would make me want to go give my all for the
guy... (sarcasm off)
It's not the x's and the o's, it's the Jimmy's and the
Joe's.Exactly.BTW...Kudos to Roger for
putting the entire package together...Good system as well as good
players who played hard.A tough nut to crack at any level.
What was amazing about Roger Dupaix while at Skyline is that he never had a
losing season. Skyline also didn't lose a home playoff game. That's
amazing consistency. To win state championships, you have to be in the playoffs
and you have to win games in the playoffs and if given the home field for the
first game or two, you can't squander that opportunity to advance.
byu fans don't like to hear this - they think 2 star players in college are
just as capable of doing big things(winning big time bowl games, competing for
national titles, going undefeated) as are a team of mostly 4-5 stars.In fact multiple studies have shown a 5 star has the highest chance of being
drafted.A 4 has a higher chance than a 3 or a 2, and a 3 has a higher
chance than a 2.And on AVERAGE, recruiting services get it right and
on AVERAGE the star rating of a team is very indicative of talent.Does it guarantee wins?No, and neither does good coaching, scoring
lots of points, practicing, eating right, lifting weights, or even scoring lots
of touchdowns.But those things help, as does having better
players.And 4 out of the last 5 years the school with the highest
ranked recruits?The university of Utah Pac 12 UtesNot
surprisingly we've owned the other Utah schools during that time as well.
I'm willing to be patient and assume the lessons of all of the fourth
quarter meltdowns from last year have been mastered.
I would add to the first comment, that the longer a Coach has to influence
players, the more comfortable they are with his system, those are also very
important. Players cannot expect to win without paying a price of practice,
putting in the time,making the sacrifice, etc. Games are often won in the
preparation, before they are played.
It is good to have good players, but in High School the coach makes a lot of
difference in how a team plays.